Help me decide between Vevor 8x16 Deluxe or the LMS 7x16 HiTorque 5100

I'm new to this hobby and will soon buy my first lathe. For price and space reasons, it needs to be an import mini lathe. I know these can be rough around the edges, but part of the fun will be working on the improvements to the lathe itself! This is one of my first posts, and the rules say I can't include links, so I will summarize the options I'm considering below. I'd love to get some thoughts by people who know what they're talking about! I'm considering two options in a similar price range:

VEVOR 8x16 (Luxury Version) - $1,220 + Free Shipping
  • Machine Weight: 158 lbs
  • Swing over Bed: 8"
  • Spindle Bore: 1.5"
  • 1.1 kW Brushless Motor
  • Tapered Roller Spindle Bearings
  • Comes with quite a few accessories:
    • quick change toolpost
    • 4 jaw scroll chuck
    • variety of cutting tools
    • square, indicators
    • steady rest, follower rest
  • Based on the Sieg SC4 Castings (I think). Another generic model name for this machine is the "MX-210V"

LittleMachineShop 7x16 HiTorque 5100 - $1,300 + Local Pickup
  • Machine Weight: 90 lbs
  • Swing over Bed: 7"
  • Spindle Bore: 0.8"
  • 0.5 kW Brushless Motor
  • Japanese Quality Spindle Bearings (I believe angular contact, but possibly roller)
  • Comes with no extra accessories/tools
  • Based on the Sieg SC2

Certainly the Vevor has the better specs on paper and is the better "value" buy. It's a bit cheaper, heavier, has slightly larger swing over bed, and double the spindle bore size. Also, double the HP motor. I'm sure many of the accessories are junky, but I can probably get some use out of them. However, this is Vevor, and I've certainly heard some... stories about the quality of the products they ship and the difficulty getting good support. It does seem like if something is seriously wrong with the machine, it can be returned or they will send out replacement parts. Beyond that, and after the return period/warranty, I know support will be lacking.

The LMS machine has been given the once-over by the LittleMachineShop and certainly will have better quality control. The support will be leaps and bounds better, and I'm within driving distance of the store, which is an advantage. I know heavier and bigger is always better with a lathe, but I'm just starting this hobby, and I don't know how often I'd really run into the spindle bore limit, for example. There's an Aussie YouTuber "Artisan Makes" who had a stock Sieg C3 for years, and after a bunch of upgrades, he made some really impressive parts from it. He eventually upgraded to a bigger lathe--but he got years of excellent use out of that little thing. I do realize that the more heavy/rigid the machine, the easier it is to use for beginners, and he's much more skilled than I, but still. The fact that it's a bit smaller/lighter is its own advantage in my case, as this will be on a workbench in my modestly-sized garage.
They both good choices.
It more of what plan to use lathe for.
The a space friendly or low weight could make choices.

Some will bigger is better remember you space and the cash for bigger and will be harder to move.

Dave
 
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Just my "2 cents"...

To answer the original question posed by the OP

Avoid vevor. I need say no more other than they are absolute piles of junk with poor QC and zero support.

@dbcallen

You answered your own question within the post that started your thread when you stated:

The LMS machine has been given the once-over by the LittleMachineShop and certainly will have better quality control. The support will be leaps and bounds better, and I'm within driving distance of the store, which is an advantage.

Honestly, you are better to purchase from a "brick and mortar" that is close to you than an e-seller that has no true interest in customer support or warranty issues.

As a "starter" machine, a 7x is just fine to learn with. You will soon find what you can and can not do, what you want and do not want from a lathe and also it will help you effectively decide which direction you take as regards whether to go bigger or not and all at a reasonable cost that is not going to "break the bank" as the saying goes.

You will also soon learn that the lathe itself will be the least of the investment you make given that tools / tooling and accessories will far outstrip the initial outlay for the machine itself. I am already approaching 5 times the cost of my lathe on tools/tooling and accessories with more to go. (3 jaw, 4 jaw and 6 jaw chucks, ER32 collet system, QCTP & holders, Milling slides, cutting tools, tailstock tooling, end mills and drills, radius tool, clamp-on carriage stops et-al)

You wil lalso find "upgrades" to add if the basic machine lacks them such as better headstock brearings (either taper roller or angular contact), two half nut conversion (Sieg SC3), large foot tailstock, bushes or bearings for the leadscrew, metal change gears, totary handle for the cross slide and compound slide handwheel, a riser block if you want to improve rigidity by removing the compound slide etc etc etc.

Yes, I own a 7x and whilst it does what I need it to, if I had room for a bigger machine I would purchase one. Yes, I can carry out some basic milling thanks to milling slides. Yes, it DOES need to be bolted down to a solid bench-top to improve rigidity, yes, there are limits to what it can do. I have mine bolted down to 50mm kitchen worktop (countertop to those in the USA).

Have I run into any limits? Yes. The 7" swing is a limit. The through bore can be and is a limit to me, but I find new ways to get around the bore limit each time I bump up against it (not often). I have fitted the "extended cross slide" mod kit from LMS. yes, it is a BIG improvement. I have also removed the splashguard pending making some spacers as the cross slides runs into it before full travel is reached.

There is a VAST amount that can be done to improve a 7x and whilst you do that, you are learning about machining, about setup of the lathe and other things besides such as best order of operations.

One thing my late father told me and it proved true was "if you can successfully machine stainless steel, you can machine most materials". He was taught by a time served engineer with his own machine shop.


REGARDING USED MACHINES

IF you decide to go for a used machine, do NOT rely on a sellers description. Do some research and take someone with you who knows how to properly and fully check over a machine. You really do not want to spend money on what turns out to be a worn out pile of scrap metal parading as a machine. You will thank yourself later, even if it costs a few notes to get that help, it will potentially save you hundreds or more and save you from wasting your hard-earned money, or, it could land you a steal of a deal depending on the machine price point.

I have always walked away from any machine that displays abuse or serious neglect as they are always a cause for trouble, excessive work or expense.
 
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I saw that--that does look like a really good option. What would be your preference between the Grizzly and LMS? Precision Matthews are a little out of the budget I'm willing to spend on my first lathe.
In that price range, if you don't want to search for used machines I'd go for the Grizzly. You can fix a lot of things on a Chinese machine but you can't add weight.

John
 
Just my "2 cents"...

To answer the original question posed by the OP

Avoid vevor. I need say no more other than they are absolute piles of junk with poor QC and zero support.

@dbcallen

You answered your own question within the post that started your thread when you stated:



Honestly, you are better to purchase from a "brick and mortar" that is close to you than an e-seller that has no true interest in customer support or warranty issues.

As a "starter" machine, a 7x is just fine to learn with. You will soon find what you can and can not do, what you want and do not want from a lathe and also it will help you effectively decide which direction you take as regards whether to go bigger or not and all at a reasonable cost that is not going to "break the bank" as the saying goes.

You will also soon learn that the lathe itself will be the least of the investment you make given that tools / tooling and accessories will far outstrip the initial outlay for the machine itself. I am already approaching 5 times the cost of my lathe on tools/tooling and accessories with more to go. (3 jaw, 4 jaw and 6 jaw chucks, ER32 collet system, QCTP & holders, Milling slides, cutting tools, tailstock tooling, end mills and drills, radius tool, clamp-on carriage stops et-al)

You wil lalso find "upgrades" to add if the basic machine lacks them such as better headstock brearings (either taper roller or angular contact), two half nut conversion (Sieg SC3), large foot tailstock, bushes or bearings for the leadscrew, metal change gears, totary handle for the cross slide and compound slide handwheel, a riser block if you want to improve rigidity by removing the compound slide etc etc etc.

Yes, I own a 7x and whilst it does what I need it to, if I had room for a bigger machine I would purchase one. Yes, I can carry out some basic milling thanks to milling slides. Yes, it DOES need to be bolted down to a solid bench-top to improve rigidity, yes, there are limits to what it can do. I have mine bolted down to 50mm kitchen worktop (countertop to those in the USA).

Have I run into any limits? Yes. The 7" swing is a limit. The through bore can be and is a limit to me, but I find new ways to get around the bore limit each time I bump up against it (not often). I have fitted the "extended cross slide" mod kit from LMS. yes, it is a BIG improvement. I have also removed the splashguard pending making some spacers as the cross slides runs into it before full travel is reached.

There is a VAST amount that can be done to improve a 7x and whilst you do that, you are learning about machining, about setup of the lathe and other things besides such as best order of operations.

One thing my late father told me and it proved true was "if you can successfully machine stainless steel, you can machine most materials". He was taught by a time served engineer with his own machine shop.


REGARDING USED MACHINES

IF you decide to go for a used machine, do NOT rely on a sellers description. Do some research and take someone with you who knows how to properly and fully check over a machine. You really do not want to spend money on what turns out to be a worn out pile of scrap metal parading as a machine. You will thank yourself later, even if it costs a few notes to get that help, it will potentially save you hundreds or more and save you from wasting your hard-earned money, or, it could land you a steal of a deal depending on the machine price point.

I have always walked away from any machine that displays abuse or serious neglect as they are always a cause for trouble, excessive work or expense.
First of all, thank you SO much for taking the time to write such a detailed and thoughtful response. It's extremely valuable advice and well-taken. I've definitely decided against the Vevor at this point. I am also considering the Grizzly 9x19 that some people linked, which is slightly bigger and much heavier and a similar price (after shipping), but I might stick with the LMS for the convenience of picking it up myself and the support. What have you been using-- a stock Sieg SC3? Or are you using a LMS version?
 
I have had my LMS7350 for several years and it has been a great machine for my purposes,, I have added a tach and the wider crossslide.. all of my dealings with LMS has been very good, I also have a mill from them..
 
@dbcallen

First of all, thank you SO much for taking the time to write such a detailed and thoughtful response. It's extremely valuable advice and well-taken. I've definitely decided against the Vevor at this point. I am also considering the Grizzly 9x19 that some people linked, which is slightly bigger and much heavier and a similar price (after shipping), but I might stick with the LMS for the convenience of picking it up myself and the support. What have you been using-- a stock Sieg SC3? Or are you using a LMS version?

I have a Sieg SC3 (Brushless "Super" C3) with A/C headstock bearing upgrade and two half-nut upgrade. I also have another non-sieg 7x I am rebuilding slowly over time but that is a bit of a hybrid higher power frankenstein of compatible parts, custom parts and custom upgrades.

If you go for the 9x19, research what the support and spares market and spares availability is like. Sometimes a decision is made purely on the available support when it is between two suppliers.

I wil lalso add that in every purchase I have made, internationally I might add, I have never had a problem with LMs and every delivery has been on time or earlier.

@tghsmith

I have added a tach and the wider crossslide..

Now just what wider cross slide would that be? What part number is that??
 
I think this was it..


Ahhh, the extended travel kit. Already done that with the lathe I am rebuilding but have a little more travel, a custom boss and custom feedscrew.
I milled the original saddle out and saved some cash for other things.

When you mentioned "wider cross slide", I though that finally a decent, wider, cross-slide was finally being offered,
 
I think this was it..
I made one for my mini lathe

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