Mystery rifle a guy brought me.

Thanks for the input guys. The wood on this thing really is pretty. It is a shame the rifle thats in it is such crap though. The stamps on the side are really shoddily done, but I just chock that up to 1915. This thing screams "project gun" to me with all the little things that have been done to it.
 
I think what you have there is a Darra gun. In the Khyber Pass region of Pakistan there is a town called Darra Adam Khel. Since the 1890's the people there, Afridi tribesmen of the Adam Khel clan, have built guns by hand in crude workshops. The story is that given a gun they have never seen before, they can turn out a serviceable copy in about ten days. The area is closed now to foreigners, for security reasons, but time was you could go to the market there and buy copies of all sorts of guns, with quality ranging from very good to pretty crude. I used to own a copy of an English large bore musket that according to the paperwork that came with it, was made there in the 1950's. If you took the lock off and looked at the inside of it, it was pretty clear the lockplate and internal parts were hand filed. The lockplate was stamped with a date and some random lines of letters meant to represent whatever the stamping was on the lock they copied. The stock was a pretty nice piece of wood with a lacquer finish that was crazing similar to yours. Why would I guess yours might also be a Darra gun? The checkering on the bolt release and the grooves on the cocking knob look hand filed and not a particularly good job of it, the "engraving" the same way, no maker's mark on the action or barrel-instead some marks that also look hand done and sort of suggest letters, the "gunmaker's" stamp-you would think someone with the skills and tooling to chamber a firearm would be able to stamp their name in a straight line. Just my thoughts, and I may be way off base here.
 
Sorry guys, but no Kyber Pass. The engraving on the bolt release is pure Guild German. If you look at the rear sight you will see that it is at least a good copy of a Haenel or Schilling sight from a Wehrmannsgewehr. Looking at the stock and the front band, this rifle has all the hallmarks of a dufflebag gun from the first war that had the front wood and barrel bands removed and lost. It could have been used as a inexpensive Schutzenfest rifle given the caliber, in a service rifle event. If I were to guess, I would have to think the American "gunsmith" was about 20 yrs. old with little skills. I would take a casting of the chamber or at the least fireform a .32 WS case in the chamber and check it well. That's my 2 cents, I'll try to post some pictures of my Anschutz as soon as I figure out this system.--David
 
Don't chock the stamping up to"1915". If anything,"1915" should be BETTER than 2014. Just chock it up to stupidity,poor workmanship,and ignorance. They had those types in 1915 too!!:)

As for hand filed parts,the World's masterpieces were made by HAND. That includes fine guns. THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH HAND FILED.

Here are a few pictures of hand filed parts on guns I made from scratch. The locks,trigger guards,everything was hand made with files or hand engraved with hammer and chisels.

There is nothing wrong with hand filed parts. In the hands of someone who knows how to use them,files and small chisels can accomplish more than a milling machine.That includes CNC.

Every part and every screw on these guns was hand made(screws made with a lathe!) Slots hand filed,at least.

P.S.: My name was hand stamped from individual stamps,old antique ones with serifs,like the "1915" stamps had. You can't get them these days. I spent years of flea market searching for my stamps from 1/32" to 1/2" with serifs(but I gave the 1/2" set to a harness maker friend to stamp leather coach trunks with in the museum where we worked(Williamsburg).

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Beautiful work George.


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Oops, didn't mean to stir things up. I meant no criticism of those, like George, who are skilled with hand filing. I merely meant the metal work was crude and poorly done. As though whoever built or modified this rifle lacked time, skills or proper tools. If this rifle was indeed a duffle bag gun from the First World War, the 1915 date may be problematical. We didn't send anybody to Europe until 1917. Of course, without knowing the history of this particular gun, we're all just guessing, aren't we? I'll go back to my corner now.
 
It does look like a crudely made apprentice gunsmith project gun....


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No offense taken. I just didn't want any of the membership to get the idea that only machine made guns or things are good. I love my machines,but there are many things that only good hand work can do,especially if you are doing old style work.

All the old masterpieces in museums were hand made-if they are old enough.
 
George, you are a metal smith in the old tradition. In the Golden Era this was the way that all but the military contract guns were produced in England and Europe. In this country our short history is dominated by machine made guns of limited refinement. At a good gun show you can still find people that think a Parker double is the "high water mark" of gun development. Remember, in Germany to this day, an engineering student starts off with a file, a vise and a block of steel to make his perfect cube. Just wondering, was your pistol half of a matched set of duelers? Your locks and your fit and finish are beautiful.--David
 
I used to remove very significant portions of steel with a SMOOTH file,because I had nothing else!! Scott shotguns are a LOT nicer than Parkers,which look clumsy in comparison. It's strange why Parkers are so well thought of. Most people just do not have eyes for design is why.

No,the pistols were 1 offs. It still took me months to make each one. The hand chiseled lion';s mask on the earlier style pistol took about a month of dedicated evenings. I made a silver casting of it which I'll post here. The pistol was so shiny that it did not photograph well. This silver necklace has been blacked a bit so it reads better. The mask represents the flayed skin of the lion that Hercules slew. It was a popular theme on 18th. C. items. They used a lot of classical themes back then,and read and studied the classics as part of an educated person's education.

Here's a picture of the trigger guard of the later model pistol. It was made of spring steel,hand filed and chiseled into the pineapple(an 18th. C. symbol of hospitality).

I made a case with accessories for the fancier pistol,but can't find the pictures right now. I think as new pictures are added to my picture file,older ones must get "bumped". Anyway,here are the tools I made for the case: rosewood mallet and ram rod,bullet mold and polished wad cutter as found on originals. A nice,period screwdriver made to fit the screws on the gun exactly. I cringe when IU see that stupid actor on Gosford Park pretending to work on his way too early style pistol. He starts whacking on it for some reason. Wonder if he damaged it? Actors are such idiots. When their gun is empty,they always throw it. When their canteen is empty,they toss it(O.K.,fool,if you DO find water,how are you going to carry it?)

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