OK guys now I feel bad for asking because as I started to cut some angle for the press a friend of mine pulled up ask what I was working on, When I told him he told me his dad who had just passed away a short time back had just bought one before he died. He told me he and his mom would be glad to let me have it. Well we called her I asked what she wanted she said come down and look at it and we will talk. I should have known she knew if I came down I would feel obligated. So I go down its still in the box she reminds me of a few favors I did for Ken, andtells me it's mine no charge. I try to argue but she would not take my money. So as a final compromise she took 50.00 for her church charity and I got a harbor friaght 20 ton press. But thanks for all the Ideas, they are some darn good sorces for future projects, for sure next time I'm at the bone yard I will look for hood springs just to keep on hand. Mark