Rebuilding a cheap lathe

Not contributing to the CCP and making stuff right away........
Sorry mate, this thread isn't about your world views. Nor is this forum solely about efficiency or "making stuff right away"

This thread is about helping someone who has asked some questions about whether a particular cheap used lathe is a good choice in their particular context (note, their context is not the same as yours).

Honestly, when I joined this place a year ago, I didn't feel judged for having made probably a sub optimal choice in lathe purchase. Over the last year I've seen a growth of posts that would have been more appropriate on other, less welcoming forums.

Time served, experienced old hands who have put the years in and have a strong background of knowledge are obviously, vital to this board, but they're only an asset if they're respectful, humble and constructive.

This rubbish needs to stop or else this forum is going to lose what makes it special.
 
Appreciate the input. I thought about that, even looked into it. The biggest that the Little Machine Shop can get me to is 16" ... which is still smaller than what I want.

This one fell into my lap for free so I might as well learn what I can with it, hopefully without spending too much money on it. I don't mind the time to clean it up and the cost of changing the belt and whatever worn bits and pieces is no problem, but spending large amounts to upgrade a machine that is too small for my purposes is probably not the wisest way for me to go. I think I'd rather put that money toward the larger machine that I've been eyeballing.
That is a good attitude and actually exactly how I started out with a dropped floor model HF 7x10".

It Was very helpful in quickly learning some basics by being hands On ( firm believer in that, "we learn by doing") and it pointed me to what I really needed which ended up being a 12x24" gear head, belt drive lathe that can do what is needed for tractor sized pins etc. that I use.

The 7 x 10" Harbor Freight was a good learning experience and sent me on the pursuit of a lathe that really did fit my actual needs.
 
First of all, I really want to thank everyone who took the time to chuck their two cents into the conversation. Some of the conversation went over my head, but that's OK, I am now at least a little bit familiar with some terms and such that I hadn't heard before. Thank you all.

Now the bad news.

This motor doesn't work ... at all. I'm reasonably decent with electronics and in my (not professional but none-the-less experienced) opinion, the motor is toast. It's not worth restoring.

A replacement is $170 + taxes & shipping.

Now I have to ask myself if I want to spend $200(ish) on a motor (plus all the other things that need to be replaced) for a lathe that is quite a bit smaller than what I want.

And the answer is: No. No I don't. I'd rather put that money toward a new lathe.

Dag nabbit all.

P.S. The belt is fine. There's no need to replace the belt.
 
"... tractor sized pins ..."
I'm thinking "excavator sized pins" but that seems like splinting hairs to me. I don't actually happen to need a pin for my tractor just at this moment, but I definitely do need one for the thumb on my excavator (which the dealer just doesn't seem to have in the right size). That pin was actually the very first project I intended, and what set me on this journey in the first place. I need a rather large pin for the thumb on my excavator. I can spend a little bit of money and have the local machine shop make one for me, or I can spend a whole lot of money and do it myself. Being the idiot that I am, I opted for the latter.
 
The 7 x 10" Harbor Freight was a good learning experience and sent me on the pursuit of a lathe that really did fit my actual needs.
OK, I already responded to your post once, but now I'm going to do it again (because I loved the "tractor sized pin" which hit so close to home)

From your experience, would you recommend that I go ahead and buy a baby lathe to play around on before buying a big one? ... or would you suggest that I save the money and go straight for the big one?
 
OK, I already responded to your post once, but now I'm going to do it again (because I loved the "tractor sized pin" which hit so close to home)

From your experience, would you recommend that I go ahead and buy a baby lathe to play around on before buying a big one? ... or would you suggest that I save the money and go straight for the big one?
That is how I started…. Found a 9”x20” locally for a very good price and started learning with it.

You have to be careful with this forum… I now have three lathes… three! And I don’t even make pins! This is just a hobby for me!!
 
I'm thinking "excavator sized pins" but that seems like splinting hairs to me. I don't actually happen to need a pin for my tractor just at this moment, but I definitely do need one for the thumb on my excavator (which the dealer just doesn't seem to have in the right size). That pin was actually the very first project I intended, and what set me on this journey in the first place. I need a rather large pin for the thumb on my excavator. I can spend a little bit of money and have the local machine shop make one for me, or I can spend a whole lot of money and do it myself. Being the idiot that I am, I opted for the latter.
OK, I already responded to your post once, but now I'm going to do it again (because I loved the "tractor sized pin" which hit so close to home)

From your experience, would you recommend that I go ahead and buy a baby lathe to play around on before buying a big one? ... or would you suggest that I save the money and go straight for the big one?
All I know is I really like the 12 x 24" I picked up for $1100 with major wiring problems so I converted it to a DC treadmill motor -which is what the previous owner must have been working on (since the lathe came with it, and a 5 HP air compressor motor as well) before he passed.

It was sold as Harbor freight / Central Machinery, but is old enough that it came out of Taiwan and is more than accurate enough for tractor/ backhoe pins.

Posted before but here is my first pin it was a 2.5" axle shaft originally out of a heavy piece of equipment and it took a lot of time to just cut off a chunk with the 14"carbide cutoff saw.

I turned it down to 1.707" IIRC and the 12 24 handled it well. The tapered pin laying below in the second pic is what the previous backhoe owner was using as the main bucket pin... needless to say more than a little slop in the bucket.

Once you get into the 12" + swing lathes the weight jumps up substantially to 800 + lb. which helps with rigidity, the width of the bed is about 7 1/2" which also helps cutting harder materials.

I have not used it yet but do plan on trying out the Gap bed as well and facing a couple larger diameter items.

I am not one of the more knowledgeable people on Hobby Machinist, but sure glad I joined, there is a wealth of info here and many much more experienced and Knowledgeable folks, and am sure there are plenty of older American made lathes that would also do just fine on excavator pins etc.

ps. It is CRAZY what some of the larger Pins sell for, two of the pins for the 550 Ford were over 300 bucks each. I figure that "making" those two pins and some other tractor bushings and spacers almost paid to get me into this lathe.

After thinking about your question that is a hard one because the smaller lathe can be a good learning experience cutting smaller softer materials without as much damage to a person if they make mistakes, as the lathe size and HP go up so does the potential to make a painful mistake, like one I made early on with the larger lathe and that was breaking the cardinal rule of the Chuck Key is in only two places your hand or in in its safe place, Never Ever left in the Chuck...
 

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Let me ask you this... How much fun have you had using your SB C model? Now, imagine the satisfaction of having taken what is essential a "built kit", stripping it down, going through it, adjusting where necessary, upgrading where necessary and modifying it to improve how it functions? How much satisfaction do you think you would derive from doing that when you make the first chips using it?

Sometimes, the journey to cutting the first chips is the most satisfying. Buying a machine that "just works" without needing even minor tinkeriing is, to me at least, just plain boring and lacks any form of satisfaction.
not knocking you as i have done the same but three months in that satisfaction is wearing thin and i started with an atlas just so happens it was built 83 years ago
 
This rubbish needs to stop or else this forum is going to lose what makes it special.

@SouthernChap

Say it how you mean it. IF it continues it will become just as bad and unwelcoming as "Practical Machinist" and I have seen how bad that is.


not knocking you as i have done the same but three months in that satisfaction is wearing thin and i started with an atlas just so happens it was built 83 years ago

@cooper1203

Yup, it does wear thin after a time, though the first chips do make the effort worth it in the longer term. Apart from which, you know the machine better than you would if you just acquired one that "worked out of the box".

I prefer to know a machine before I use it. If that means tearing it down and going through it, then so be it. At least I will know what to do / repeair / replace / sort out if anything ever goes wrong and chasing down issues also becomes easier.

@ ADMIN

If my above comment in response to @SouthernChap fouls some rule, remove it, otherwise, I have said my piece on it, other than to discuss ways of avoiding it becoming a problem, should such a discussion arise.
 
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I'm a big fan of transmission fluid for cleaning up crusty machines. Cleans everything, harms nothing and leaves a nice shine. Kerosene works well also. As I understand, on those 7x lathes the gears are the weak link.
That's a new one. I've heard ATF harms paint.

Mineral spirits, WD-40, and kerosene are all better options, IMO
 
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