down right disgusting

[dan12]

What a shame, not to the injuree but for Ryobi. They sell a product that has safety features designed into it, warning labels everywhere and someone gets hurt with it. It's not Ryobi's fault yet they lost.

Any common sense anymore?

odds are he will blow that 1.5mil in less then a year............and not on retaining in a new job field,he will be worse off after that,sad and depressed his $$ is all gone + his fingers:thumbzup3::veryangry:

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I've had my SawStop for a few years now. A friend of mine owned a woodworking store and sold it to me for the same price I could get a Powermatic or Unisaw for. It is as accurate as either the PM or the Delta. It has a large, thick cast iron table, heavy steel chassis, 5 HP and good dust collection.

My dado is a Frued, but you have to us 8" dado blade. You can lay the board on top of the blade with your hand on it when the blade is off to see if the water content is a problem. If you are cutting wood with the water content of a hot dog you are using the wrong saw.

Never fired mine, hope I don't but I have used a demo unit that was fired dozens of times and didn't see an issue with its arbor.

My wife feels much better about the SawStop and insisted I go with it when I upgraded.

Dave

does it work if you wear gloves?????????

 

[george wilson]

A friend of mine who operates an architectural model shop has had many mis fires with his Saw Stop. I think it is from sawing mirror coated plexiglas,and the little metal particles getting into the saw.

 

[jgedde]

It looks like SawStop's build quality has improved dramatically since I last looked at them. They look like Taiwanese Delta clones with the SawStop technology added. That wasn't meant to be denigrating, the Taiwanese saws are quite good.

However, and let me be clear about this, is I DO NOT APPROVE of their competition killing tactics using legal means and underhanded support of legislation to force their product licensing on everybody. I will not argue that it is a great safety concept, but their tactics have completely turned me away. Let 'em sell to somebody else... I ain't buying. I'll wait until their patent runs out and buy from some other manufacturer. Until then, I'll continue to rely on forethought, common sense, two eyes and ten fingers to keep me safe.

Read this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SawStop this http://toolmonger.com/2012/09/14/more-sawstop-bs/ this http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/45040/stephen-colbert-takes-the-sizzle-out-of-sawstop and this http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100318/1240568623.shtml

I'm very curious what our fearless owner Nelson's thoughts are on this being that he's of the lawyer persuasion.

John

 

[Marco Bernardini]

However, and let me be clear about this, is I DO NOT APPROVE of their competition killing tactics using legal means and underhanded support of legislation to force their product licensing on everybody. I will not argue that it is a great safety concept, but their tactics have completely turned me away.

In this I'm totally with you, John.
I love safety: I started to use seat belts years before they were mandatory in Italy, and they saved my life once, but this saw is like a car having exploding tires to prevent the driver to hit a jaywalker: not exactly the brightest idea.
I'm thinking how to make a sort of transparent "sliding door" in front of my bandsaw, giving clearance just for the wood and nothing else (specially fingers: wood pushers are free and copious), but I don't even think to patent such a device, if it works: safety must be free for everybody.

 

[jgedde]

In this I'm totally with you, John.
I love safety: I started to use seat belts years before they were mandatory in Italy, and they saved my life once, but this saw is like a car having exploding tires to prevent the driver to hit a jaywalker: not exactly the brightest idea.
I'm thinking how to make a sort of transparent "sliding door" in front of my bandsaw, giving clearance just for the wood and nothing else (specially fingers: wood pushers are free and copious), but I don't even think to patent such a device, if it works: safety must be free for everybody.

Thanks for the good words about my rant Marco. I like your exploding tires analogy and your remark about safety being free. Common sense is free. It's the lack thereof that's costly.

Question: In Europe, are American style table saws available? I've seen many European style saws with some interesting features for sale here in the states - some made in Italy (the maker of some of the world's finest bandsaws). I've heard that American style saws are prohibited or at least strongly discouraged in Europe. Does it have to do with the CE approval?

John

 

[Marco Bernardini]

Thanks for the good words about my rant Marco. I like your exploding tires analogy!

Question: In Europe, are American style table saws available? I've seen many European style saws with some interesting features for sale here in the states. I've heard that American style saws are prohibited or at least strongly discouraged in Europe. Does it have to do with the CE approval?

John

Table saws are not my specialty, but I checked around to see what we have.
Apart the usual Chinese tinfoil things, the other available brands are multi-nationals like Makita (http://www.makita.it/tool/26888/MLT100.html) or Bosch (http://www.bosch-do-it.com/it/it/hobbisti/utensili/seghe-circolari-da-banco-199900.jsp) which must have worldwide approvals.
There is probably just a single Italian company still making table saws by themselves rather than just rebranding them: http://www.kapriol.it/IT/template03.aspx?SETTORE=110&FAM=045 - but these are table saws for building yards, not for wood shops.
Generally every farmer here has a table saw made with a washing machine motor without any type of protection, but accidents are pretty rare.
About the CE marking, it is not an approval after a test, but a self-certification by the producer that the tool is EU legislation compliant: details on Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CE_marking

 

[TOOLMASTER]

wonder how many house wives lost fingers in a mixer, after all we have better technology avail...a mixing spoon.

 

[ric686]

BTW, did you notice the most of politicians are lawyers, too?

And a lot of the lobbyists are lawyer politicians retired from the very governmental bodies where they are lobbying. Ya gotta wonder how many of them have the lobbyist jobs lined up while they're still in office.
Sure, no conflict of interest there...

 

[jpfabricator]

My grandfather was an attorney. He told me to never trust a lawyer! I was to young to see the sarcastic iorny.

Jake Parker

 

[dave2176]

does it work if you wear gloves?????????

No. It uses touch lamp technology so it needs to touch skin to sense the current in you. I watched a teenager testing it but he didn't want to touch the blade with his fingers so he touched his finger nail to the blade. It was happy chewing through his nail looking for flesh before I told him to stop and use his flesh if he felt he needed to test it. Since I've seen computers fail, I will never intentionally touch a spinng blade.

Dave