Well, Im in a dispute with VEVOR over a damaged rotary table.

[RaisedByWolves]

there's no doubt the chinese can, but how much really good stuff have you seen outside their government? if expensive chinese products were good, people would by them just like we pay a premium for Japanese and German stuff. even the stuff they keep in their own country is poor according to people who have lived there. I'm just gonna say, the sheer number of poorly made products coming out of china vs most other countries is much higher.

sadly, the last days of very high-quality products from US manufacturing was probably in the 50's. our automobiles in the 70's and 80's were for the most part, atrocious. it doesn't help when unions make it difficult to impossible to fire bad employees. we do seem to be getting some nice stuff from small shops in the US now. a lot of products out of Europe is top notch. japan and Tiawan have great stuff.

They seem to struggle building their carriers.

As to the union issue, we stopped firing people altogether over 20yrs ago due mostly to the cost of training and lack of bodies.

We have found that it’s better to put the undesirables in crap jobs and let them figure out whether to show up on time daily or stay in a crap workstation until they willingly quit.

40yrs ago when I started we had spare man pool. It was an area where certain workers would muster every morning. These people either had no real ability/desire to work or were skilled enough they could do any job, but were excess to out day to day staffing needs.

If two people were needed a go getter would be sent with a slacker, the results were interesting.

For the most part, a slacker would work reasonably well when instructed by a peer vs a boss. Some form of guilt going on I guess.


Then we went “Lean” and everything went to hell. Extremely high turnover, burnout, repetitive motion injuries.

We would hire 50 people (staffing is 1200 as of today) and by the end of the first week we would have 10 of the 50 left.

The house and physical labor was too much for the average worker looking for our pay level.


Over the years due mostly to staffing the jobs have been dumbed down and made less physical.

We haven’t had the standard Union/Company dynamic for decades and good riddance.

 

[Ultradog MN]

there's no doubt the chinese can, but how much really good stuff have you seen outside their government? if expensive chinese products were good, people would by them just like we pay a premium for Japanese and German stuff. even the stuff they keep in their own country is poor according to people who have lived there. I'm just gonna say, the sheer number of poorly made products coming out of china vs most other countries is much higher.

sadly, the last days of very high-quality products from US manufacturing was probably in the 50's. our automobiles in the 70's and 80's were for the most part, atrocious. it doesn't help when unions make it difficult to impossible to fire bad employees. we do seem to be getting some nice stuff from small shops in the US now. a lot of products out of Europe is top notch. japan and Tiawan have great stuff.

Well said.
It is all market driven.
Vevor et. al. builds retrograde stuff because there is a market for it.
Ever read Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance by Robert Persig?
Persig knows what quality is and tries to define it.
400 pages later he realizes he can't define it but he still knows it exists and it nearly drives him to madness in real life.
There are many of us who don't know about quality. They don't care about it.
They only care about instant gratification.
Having it Now.
It was mentioned above that the ro-tab in question only has to last for one job.
I see that philosophy as fine when it comes to tea bags and replaceable utility knife blades.
Unless... the tea bag splits and spills the tea and the blade won't cut a piece of string.
I see the OP of this discussion as similar to a person who is willing to sew up the tea bag or sharpen the blade before he can use it.
I respect his right to buy what he wants but I abhor that way of thinking.
It is wasteful in every way and causes competitors of Vevor to reduce quality as well. And pretty soon we have nothing but low quality stuff and mountains of trash that was thrown away because it couldn't perform the function it was made for.