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Chewy

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Figured I would give this forum a try considering the wide range of experience of the members.
I am in the process of making a very bright short LED strip to slide inside woodwinds to check for leaks. Yes it can be bought for over $100. I am looking at making it for around $20. Typically I would use a $1 voltage regulator and current limiting resistor. Been doing that for years for 1 or 2 LED'S. In this case the number of LED'S will require 4-6 amps. I have been researching different power supply's and I found this one on Amazon. I should be able to run all the LED"S on two circuits with out worrying about no-load voltage or resistors heating up.
Anybody have any experience with this? Also has anybody ever covered an LED with clear acrylic? The kind used in wood working projects. I need to work out some protection so this can slide and turn inside instruments.

This is just one example of some of the weird things I get to do. Thanks! Chewy


https://www.amazon.com/LM2596-Const...id=1664752529&sourceid=Mozilla-search&sr=8-26
 
I believe I used the LM2596 in a design some years ago for a video board. It's an efficient chip but does generate a lot of switching noise, so if there are any AM radios nearby they'll go nuts :cupcake:
With good decoupling capacitors the noise is minimal- those little amazon boards have them
-M
 
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If it doesn't bother FM or computer playing a video or MP# it won't be a problem. I expect it to be in use about a minute at a time.
 
Also has anybody ever covered an LED with clear acrylic?
I made a ring light for my mill using bright LEDs and then potted them in clear acrylic. It has been working fine for a couple of years. I worried about heat dissipation for awhile but it seems that is working OK in my application. Even less of a worry for you when a short duty cycle. You should check out ADAFRUIT site. Do a search for LED STRIP. you will get a lot of choices but in among the choices will be some WHITE options and many (most) of the strips come packaged in a clear flexible tubing. Some are analog and some are digitally controlled. Most of the strips can be cut to length and are sold in various LED densities. from 30 LEDs per Meter, up to 352 LEDs per Meter
 
Boswell, thanks for the information on the acrylic! As far as the light strips go, I'm talking about 10-15 LED'S in 3 inches. The commercial ones are around 7" long and cost between $100 & $150. They are a 360 degrees light source. I am going to mount small, high lumens SMT on a 1/2 of a dowel so I have about 180 degree light source and then cover the top with acrylic. The flat side will be routed to contain the wiring. The whole finished item must fit easily inside a 14mm bore. Depending on final selection, I am looking at 2-4A LED current. I have lots of wall warts to choose from. Most of the LED'S have a 50ma range from test to max. So I need a good way of controlling power.


To help clarify what I'm doing. My wife is retiring and has picked restoring clarinets for sale. She was trained at SUNY Morrisville in the 80's. She did this professionally for several years, as the schools cut out the music programs, same as the shop programs. She has since only done this to support local kids. The way to seat a pad on a clarinet is to check it with a .0005 feeler gauge. You close the key and pull the gauge out in all directions checking that it all "feels" the same. Second way is to blow smoke into the barrel and see where it escapes. Next is to slide a flashlight bulb into the barrel and look for light.

Fast forward to today. The light bulb has been replaced by very high powered LED'S. The smoke is replaced by a heating element burning baby oil or equivalent and a little tiny pump sending it into the barrel. The next improvement is to use a Magnehelic gauge and flow meter sending about 1/3 PSI into barrel and watching the meter. 0 reading is perfect but very hard to achieve. The feeler gauge is unchanged.
 
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Hi Chewy,

You have an interesting project. I had not thought about this much before. So here are some of my thoughts.

What are the seals for the holes made from? Rubber? Leather? Cloth of some type? I suppose a bad leak would show up if the pipe were pressurized and a little soapy water was painted around the hole to show bubbles (like checking for a leak in a tire or gas around a piping joint. It is easy to see the soap bubbles form on a leaking gas pipe joint in your home with this bubble technique and the pressure in a natural gas pipe inside your house is only a few inches (<~ 10") of water. ( 34 feet of water =~ 1 atmosphere = ~ 14.7PSI. or ) So 1/3 PSI should be about 27 inches of water and should create bubbles. Add a little glycerin to the soapy water and you have bubbles that will hang around a while (blowing bubbles toy). But maybe this is a little messy!

The eye is very sensitive to light when in a dark room. It is even more sensitive to a strobe light when it well below 10 Hz. Old movies ran at 16 frames per second and you could NOT see the strobe effect. You might think about oscillating/pulsing the light off and on at low frequency. Also, the peak light power can be made higher for a similar heating, as the LED is turned off part of the time. The eye is most sensitive in the green wavelengths, that is why the green lasers appear to be so bright. By the way, 4-6 Amp into a few LEDs seems like an awful lot of power and light... 6A into a 3 volt LED junction would be 18 watts of real power! This is bigger than most LED light bulbs you buy for your house fixtures! They are advertized in equivalent power, which means equivalent to an incandescent bulb. So 18 watts would be the equivalent to about 100-150 Watts. Does one really need to light up the entire flute at one time or just slide the light source up or down the tube and look at each hole individually. If you need circuits to drive the LEDs in a pulsed mode I can probably figure it out for you.

Most of the LEDs that you purchase, whether in strings or individual are already potted in plastic to protect them and sometimes to form lenses. The heat dissipation relies on the copper metal leads to carry the heat away from the pn junction. This is the most important factor for device life... keeping the junction from getting so hot that the elements diffuse to destroy the junction. In the modern strings of LED the semiconductor is bonded directly to a copper metal tape formed with leads. Again, the tape is copper, and is again the electrical lead.

The more modern colorful LEDs emit in the ultraviolet (non-visible blue wavelength region) and the junction area is covered with a phosphor to down shift the wavelength to the visible color, or white, that you choose. (PS. A thought. If you have an LED lamp in a hard to reach location and you just want it to last for ever.... then run it at less than full power.... You will notice the ratings on lights.... 20 years, 25 years, 30 years.... but they never tell you the light output vs those years!? My guess is because it is going down as the junction degrades. After 30 years, you are old and can no longer see well and you think it is your eyes.... but what if the LED lamps are just not putting out as much light! )

By the way, without more information, the LM2596 is probably not the device you want to use to drive an LED. However, people probably abuse it and use it this way. It is a voltage regulator, trying to putout a constant voltage independent of the current load. You want to drive an LED with something that will limit the current to a max or be a constant value (that is adjustable) independent of the voltage output. An LED is a current device, diode, and so the current goes up rapidly with small increases of voltage. So one would prefer to have a current source not a voltage source. A current source measures the current load and tries to hold it constant. The beauty of the LM2596 is that it converts from a higher voltage to a lower voltage and does it EFFICIENTLY by using high frequency switching techniques. While the Amazon add says constant current, I looked up the device spec sheet ( https://www.ti.com/lit/ds/symlink/l...566&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fsearch.brave.com%2F ) for the LM2596 and it says it is a voltage source. Unless you have a link to how this device is configured in the board for sale how do you know how to use it to generate constant current? My guess is that it is configured to generate a constant voltage with a maximum current output (i.e. a current limit to protect the device as well as the load). In this regard it might work for you if you are just using this feature... The absolute maximum output current is 3Amps. So the wall wort you use needs to put out more power than the circuit is consuming.

a heating element burning baby oil or equivalent and a little tiny pump sending it into the barrel
If you are also going to be making smoke you might want to check out the liquid that is used to make smoke in model trains. I do no work on these, but have a friend who says that the smoke MUST be non-toxic and is chosen to not take too much energy to form: paraffin oil (mineral oil, or baby oil). Also, do these oils stain a wooden instrument?

I like the idea of using a Magnehelic gauge, but I am a little confused about...
The next improvement is to use a Magnehelic gauge and flow meter sending about 1/3 PSI into
how do you hook the Magnehelic gauge up to the flute so as to tell which hole is leaking?

I worked with high vacuum systems much of my life to prepare thin films. On good systems when you have a leak you connect a Helium detector (mass spectrometer) to the evacuated side and then source a little He gas around the seal that you wish to test and see if it gets into the vacuum system. However, it is a very expensive overkill for what you are trying to measure!

Dave L.
 
Assuming you have two circuits with 5 series-connected LEDs that comes to something a bit over 15V to run them. If your total current draw is the minimum of 4 amps you mentioned, that's 2 amps per circuit, or 30 watts per circuit. 60 watts total. Since you are planning on mounting these on a dowel and operating it in a confined space you may not need a separate smoke generator if you run it very long. The kind of smoke from burning LEDs isn't going to be very nice, either.

While you're at it you might want to add a temperature sensor so you can turn it off when it gets too hot.

I think you may be overdoing it in terms of the light intensity you will have going, considering the fact that a flashlight lightbulb can be used for the purpose. I get it that you want to be sure that you have "enough", and your design will certainly make ***lots*** of photons in that regard! But I bet you will get good results at 'way less than 2 amps per LED.
 
The pads are made from bladder, leather, skin, synthetic and some other lesser known kinds. I will check out the LM2596 and look at the spec sheets. I will also check out the model train smoke. There is a big train shop across the street from Spencer Shops aka NC Transportation Museum. The baby oil won't hurt because it is one the oils that has been used for years to oil the body. You try as much as possible to avoid spraying on the outside of wooden bodies. It leads to discoloration. Also with the stacking of keys, it makes it difficult to see. Plastic, you can wet it or soak it and it doesn't care. That is why a lot of teenagers get plastic, so they can play in a marching band.

The Magnehelic gauge is used two ways. First is to test each pad as it installed. The second is to test assembled woodwinds for overall leaks. Look at link below to see demonstration. The Tester is driven by an aquarium pump. Feeds through the 10" Magnehelic gauge to a 1" flow-meter. The gauge is set to 8" and 1" full flow. Watch the link below. Also the link to one make of LED tester. The slightest air leak changes the tone and also allows squeaks. There is no one good way to find the leak. My wife has spent hours getting leaks fixed and the instruments sounding good.

You want the air leakage to be as low as possible. If by chance you are a woodwind player in one the high dollar international orchestras, you would want see 0. Course you would mostly have several different clarinets (north of $5-6K) and multiple mouth pieces and barrels (north of $200), and a selection of reeds. The different combinations allow for different sounds. Jazz vs symphonic.

A decent clarinet re-pad runs around $200. Repair work really(!) extra. A sax simple re-pad runs around $700. The high dollar players are known to the manufacturers and usually have a special repair person. We will never be at that level. If you like working with metal, watch Wes Lees' repair videos. He can take a sax or french horn that has literally been run over and hammer it back out silversmith style. In one video he uses a special jig to hold the horn or whatever. That jig is $3K. His techniques can be applied to projects by our members.

I am sucked into the machining operations on the instruments. Line boring a barrel. End milling a tone hole and making a replacement part. Some silver soldering or brazing. My wife was trained in machine work, but it has been years and I do it every few days.

https://www.jlsmithco.com/product/360o-led-leak-lights/

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...201F725319A3FA2B30D2201&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

Homebrewed, just read your post. The different units are done one at a time. Not at same time. Going to buy several different sizes of SMT. Current runs from 60ma to 300ma each. So, ten of the larger ones will be 3A. Plan on using up to 5 circuits of CAT 6 24 gauge wire, 5 hots with one ground
 
This is a very good seller. Sells quality LED's and drivers:

I ordered all of my supplies through him when I made a broad spectrum LED light bank for our 180g aquarium.
 
The different units are done one at a time. Not at same time. Going to buy several different sizes of SMT. Current runs from 60ma to 300ma each. So, ten of the larger ones will be 3A.
The power dissipation is the sum of power consumed by all of the LEDs that are on at the time. Not sure what you mean by "not at same time" in this context. If the maximum is .3 amp for each LED that's a PD of about .9 watt for each one. 10 will produce 9 watts of heat. It doesn't matter if you have 10 in series or 10 in parallel, it's all the same in terms of power dissipation.

How did you come up with 4-6 amps in yout initial estimate of current consumption? Putting two strings of 5 series-connected LEDs in parallel ( when they have a maximum current specification of 300mA) only adds up to 600 mA. You don't need to consider each LED's current as additive if you have a series-connected string, since the SAME current flows through all of them, right??? Only the voltage required to achieve that current scales with the number of LED's -- which is a power supply choice.
 
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