Models for grinding HSS Lathe Tools

This is one of the best threads on any forum I've ever seen. It's everyone contributing to helping us all learn and improve. Great group here and hopefully we keep getting new people to learn and learn from.

I started out wanting to send my HSS to @mikey, and discovered that I enjoy grinding tools almost as much as using them!
 
Made a second set in keystock. Came out pretty much like the first set. On the second set I used an 80 grit belt after the 40 grit. It's a little harder to maintain the right angles after switching the belts as some of your reference lines got ground off, but not too bad. The threading point is a little hard to maintain exactly at 60 degrees. Both my thread cutter angles (on the keystock) are very slightly off. I suppose that will just take practice.

So, this made me brave enough to try some HSS. I have some 8x8x200mm HSS. I cut the 200mm piece into thirds. Each piece is 66mm long, give or take. (2.6 inches) It's a little awkward holding the smaller piece, but not bad. I cut a square tool, first using 40 grit ceramic and then 80 grit ceramic. I then cleaned it up using 2 diamond cards. (325 grit and 600 grit). Using the 80 grit belt makes the diamond clean up a lot easier. Maybe next time I will also use my 120 grit ceramic belt. I found it a little difficult maintaining nice flat faces, especially on the smallest face. It's hard to avoid rocking the face relative to the card. Is there a trick to keeping it flat? Mind you, I'm doing this by hand. I also have a 1200 grit card, but am wondering about diminishing returns. (And holding it flat relative to the face.)
IMG_20200102_113956.jpgYou can see some deeper gouges that I didn't get out. It just needs to be super smooth at the tip? Also the angle of the tip is slightly more acute than the keystock example I ground. Is this a problem?
IMG_20200102_114025.jpgThis face is easy to polish with the cards.
IMG_20200102_114129.jpgThere is a tiny flat spot near the tip. Next photo is a better one of that face.IMG_20200102_114217.jpg

How can I do better on this? Practice, practice, and practice some more? Soon I'll have some 3/8" HSS to work on. I think the larger size is easier to hold when grinding.
 
The overall shape of the tool is not critical and will become more consistent with time and practice.

Yes, honing is hard in the beginning but it gets better and easier with practice and time. I've been doing it for over 30 years and I think I'm finally getting a handle on it. That end face is the toughest because it is so small that it doesn't self-register. You must lock your wrists and concentrate. I find that applying pressure only on the pull stroke works best for me.

When you grind your tool on a belt sander, the goal is to flatten the entire face; there should be no shiny spots like up near the tip on the end cutting face. When you grind on a wheel, you can just hone the upper and lower edges but you must hone all the way to the edge. The reason for this flattening thing is that you are creating flat planes that intersect with each other; that is what produces your cutting edges. If these intersections are not clean and consistent then your edges will not be sharp and the tool will not cut well.

Be patient, hone carefully and it will come.
 
Well I guess I am going to build a sander. I would prefer to use a 110 motor. Is NOT being a three phase motor with the vfd going to be a problem grinding the tool bits?
 
My belt sander uses a 3450 rpm single phase motor and it works okay for me.
 
Single phase is fine. I use the variable speed because I have it, but I could do it without. You can also use step pulleys. There are a number of calculators online that can help determine the best pulley sizes and such. I really like VFDs. I have 4 of them running in the shop now. :)
 
The models showed up in the mail box this morning.
Looks like I will have to get busy and give this a whirl and burn my way :grin: through a 5' chunk of 3/8" stock!!
Thanks to Bruce for sending them my way.
I assume someone will be in touch w/info on who to send them to next.

An aside, the electricians are supposed to be here on Wed to wire up my mill,,,,finally!
 

Thanks Jeff!!
Hope to be grinding soon as I can find some belts for this used $100 off brand "Tool Shop" brand belt unit I picked up a few years back. Was impressed by the heavy full length platen and I should be able to notch the right side for grinding as needed.
Would be a good 1st project for my mill I have yet to use.

I will have to raise the table some as there is no support immediately behind it towards the bottom of the platen.
 

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