Learning about Bridgeports

Looks like a Series 1, 2HP variable speed head. I have a variable speed head. I would NOT want to deal with belts. The variable speed heads are more complicated internally, and the parts are more expensive, but well worth it if you ask me. BTW, these were never made to run from a VFD, you should be using a rotary phase converter (a static phase converter is a waste of money) unless you have native 3 phase power.

The Series 2 is much bigger. Much bigger. Not known to be a hobby machine. Many were CNC of some sort.

The heads were manufactured separately from the rest. There is NO way to track how old the head is, as there are no records of serial number to manufacture date. The serial number on the front of the knee can be traced. There's no way to know if the head is the original one that was on the base when originally shipped.

Looks like the head was made in Singapore. Hard to tell where the base was made. Many, many companies made the castings.

Every single part for this head is made today. Most are made by High Quality Tools in Ohio, although HQT does have some manufacturing overseas. They are sold through various distributors, H&W Machine being the most notable. H&W also has an extensive library of videos on YT on the disassembly and reassembly of this head, including what the different part numbers are.

Look for wear in the table, saddle and knee. Look for chrome ways (they are better). Check backlash in the table and saddle screws.

I paid $600 for my Bridgeport, but put about $1K into rebuilding the head - I did all the work myself. Some of it was't absolutely necessary, but I was in there, so might as well. It wasn't that hard at all. I also made a series of YT videos on what I did.

Your seeing this at an auction - the price may skyrocket as it starts to close. Although I have seen BPs sell for $250 here in NE Ohio. It's all a gamble. I paid $100 for my 6x12 surface grinder, but I recently watched one very much like it sell at an auction for $950. To someone that must have been crazy.
I think what you're seeing is post pandemic pricing. Machines and tooling have close to doubled in price since the pandemic. Last year I was looking at a dividing head that normally sold for around $200.00 the asking price was now $400.00 and the seller was firm. I also saw the same model surface grinder I purchased a few years ago with a price tag more than double what I paid. Prices have gone up dramatically, and I don't see them coming down anytime soon. There isn't nearly as much manual machinery on the market as there was 10 years ago, and there are far more hobbyists with deep pockets looking for it.
 
Old Cub Cadets used to be a dime a dozen around here . Collectors are scooping them up and restoring them . :encourage:
 
Other than us old guys, I can't figure out who is buying machines. None of my nieces or nephews have any interest in machines or tools in general. Maybe if it was connected to their iPhones....
 
Other than us old guys, I can't figure out who is buying machines. None of my nieces or nephews have any interest in machines or tools in general. Maybe if it was connected to their iPhones....
I know 10-15 guys, aged 25-50 who have a knee mill and/or lathe at home. And I know another 50 who want one badly, but live in cities with insane housing prices so they have nowhere to put one.

I don't think it has anything to do with this generation or that generation (I have more friends with mills than my dad does) it's just that it's not interesting to 99.99% of the population of any age.

I think the "old guys" have mills because we have money and space. Your average 30 year old has a massive student loan payment (that the US government is charging 7-9% interest on, even when interest rates were near zero) and can't afford a half million dollar house. Which is bottom dollar if you're in a moderately sized western town. If you live in Seattle, Bay Area, LA, etc it's worse. I don't envy the younger generation in any way; we've screwed them.
 
Truly this last couple generations don't know much about metal cutting.
They stopped teaching most industrial arts classes years ago and most of the kids in those classes showed no signs of being taught anything mechanical or carpentry.
So many people were conned into the student loans without a parent or legal guardian seeing any of the paper work.
After all they taught them nothing about budgets, taxes, balancing a checking account, finance, loans.
OUR society has let the future generations down because of greed, greed for our own pocket not for the good of country.
Now we are destroying the rest with legal weed with THC levels as high as 30%.
Everybody just wants to sit behind a computer and earn (lol) a big check.
If the computers were all gone tomorrow How many people do you think would survive?
I am afraid alot less than you think
 
I think what you're seeing is post pandemic pricing. Machines and tooling have close to doubled in price since the pandemic. Last year I was looking at a dividing head that normally sold for around $200.00 the asking price was now $400.00 and the seller was firm. I also saw the same model surface grinder I purchased a few years ago with a price tag more than double what I paid. Prices have gone up dramatically, and I don't see them coming down anytime soon. There isn't nearly as much manual machinery on the market as there was 10 years ago, and there are far more hobbyists with deep pockets looking for it.
also the price for new import went up when the tariffs started being applied. I saw raw material ,machine, and accessory prices rise quickly.
 
Truly this last couple generations don't know much about metal cutting.
They stopped teaching most industrial arts classes years ago and most of the kids in those classes showed no signs of being taught anything mechanical or carpentry.
So many people were conned into the student loans without a parent or legal guardian seeing any of the paper work.
After all they taught them nothing about budgets, taxes, balancing a checking account, finance, loans.
OUR society has let the future generations down because of greed, greed for our own pocket not for the good of country.
Now we are destroying the rest with legal weed with THC levels as high as 30%.
Everybody just wants to sit behind a computer and earn (lol) a big check.
If the computers were all gone tomorrow How many people do you think would survive?
I am afraid alot less than you think
That was true for a number of years in this area. However around 2010 the powers that be finally woke up when the local industries started complaining about the lack of qualified help. The local technical college went all in as far as machinist careers are concerned. They reopened 4 huge shops, hired qualified instructors, and offered to place graduates of their programs. Since 2014 there has been a waiting list to enroll in the program.

Other counties in the state have followed suit. Rock County, Waushara County, and Waupaca County, among others have all partnered with the local school districts to offer a curriculum in the metal working industry.
 
I took the plunge yesterday.
Not the one above but an older one.
I go pick it up tomorrow.
We'll see...
Hopefully get any kinks worked out of it and then sell my vintage Millmaster to offset some of the cost of the upgrade.
What do you guys think of this plan?
Sell my old mill as a package with a rough but useable 6" Kurt vise, all my Brown&Sharp 9 collets, Criterion boring head, drill chuck and a set of 3/8" hold down clamps. One stop shopping for someone that wants a mill.
 

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That looks nice for a belt change mill. Only 1 idiot mark on the table that I can see!
 
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