belt/disk sander questions

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for a long time I've been painfully aware that I need some sort of sander, belt or disk, for wood and metal. I've even seen some folks using a belt sander to sharpen their HSS lathe bits, but my bench grinder is good for that.

I'm sort of leery about HF and I went to CL and found prices all over the board for "vintage" american-made sanders.

I'm clueless at this point and don't even know the pros and cons of a disk or belt sander and was hoping someone could point me in right direction

(there was a vintage craftsman 3" belt sander nearby I was going to enquire about, asking $40, but it's already gone)

Thanks!
 
first --we have to know what you are wanting to sand and if you are wanting a horizontal or a vertical belt sander, also the width of belt would help also. you could get a combination belt and disk in one machine. I have many belt sanders, disk sanders and reciprocating drum sanders--they all are very useful depending on what you are making. let us know what you are wanting to sand---Dave
 
Hi Dave, sorry I can't be more specific but I need one that's general purpose. I do 1:12 train projects so wood and metal from say 1" to 12". I don't have a specific project in mind, however, Nothing like big furniture
 
Hi Dave, sorry I can't be more specific but I need one that's general purpose. I do 1:12 train projects so wood and metal from say 1" to 12". I don't have a specific project in mind, however, Nothing like big furniture



I would think a 12" disk sander would be nice for you to use, maybe even just a 9" would do. they don't have to be very expensive cause they are pretty simple.
 
I have a 6x48 Delta belt sander that is a wonderful piece of equipment. IMO much better than the Sears/Atlas sanders.
 
I'll reiterate that without knowing what you plan to do, it's difficult to make any meaningful suggestions. I'll try to generalize a bit, and hope this helps you zero in on a solution ...

Large belt/disk units - these use 4" and wider belts. Lots of large units are available from Grizzly (and many other tool vendors). There are a number of 4" units that show up on CL, even here in AZ and back in OR ... should be plenty in your area. I bought an old Craftsman 4 incher at a local garage sale for $40, and it's kind OK, but shakes a lot. I probably need to replace the v-belt. Haven't used it much yet.

Oscillating belt sanders - these are generally great for woodworking. The spindles are vertical, perpendicular to a largish table, and the belt slowly oscillates up-and-down, so you don't burn a path in it when sanding wood. I used one a couple of years ago. It had about a 3 foot platen and a 6" or 8" wide belt - quite a beast, but it did a great job.

More recently, I bought a used Ridgid EB4424 oscillating spindle/belt sander - http://www.ridgid.com/Tools/EB4424-Sander/ It's a nice tool. It uses a 4" x 24" belt, backed up with a steel platen. I've used it for both metal and wood. The spindles are, of course, handy when shaping curves (use plenty of talc during setup, to prevent sticking on the cores). Got mine through CL for around $100. Home Depot sells them new for about $200.

Handheld belt sanders - these usually use 3" or 4" belts. I bought a "sanding stand" accessory for my Bosch 3" unit, so it can be bench mounted ... sort of. Not a great solution, but worth considering, as there are lots of relatively cheap used handhelds out there.

Professional belt grinders - these are a mainstay of knife makers. Most seem to use 2" wide belts. They're obviously great for what they do, but tend to be expensive. The October/November issue of Machinist's Workshop has an interesting article on a relatively inexpensive DIY unit.

Smaller belt/disk units - these usually use a 1" wide belt. My faves!! I have two Delta units - 1x30 belt/5" disk (model SA150, AKA Grizzly H6070 or Rikon 50-150) and now a 1x42 belt/8" disk (model SA180, AKA Grizzly H8192 of Jet J4002). Both were bought used.

I've never had any great success with the disks. They've got uneven cutting speed across the diameter ... and half the disk wants to lift the work up off the table! So I've converted both to use a Scotch-brite wheel in place of the disk (see post #727 in POTD).

I use the belt very frequently - both the section backed up by the platen (for precise cuts) and the section above (more for blending). The narrow belt width is nice, too. I sometimes use the edge to form notches, undercuts, etc. I generally cut metal with it, but have used it for wood also. Works great with either. And as I said in my POTD post, the Scotch-brite wheel is the cat's meow for deburring, polishing, etc. on all kinds of metals.

AFAIK, this pretty well covers what's out there. Hope it helps you decide what would be best for your work. Once you're there, you can get more specific in your CL searches!
 
I also have been looking for an affordable belt/disc sander that I can use in pattern making for my foundry, and sharpening lathe bits or deburing. In other words both metal and wood. I think that is what the OP is saying. I've looked at Sears, Lowe's, Home Depot, and found nothing suitable or affordable. The latest I've considered is a 4 x 36 belt /6" Disc on sale at Harbot Freight for $59.00.

Chuck
 
I'm with hman on the smaller disk/belt units. My Delta 1x42 with 8" disc has put in a lot of miles for me, wood-steel-non ferrous etc as well as foundry patterns. It wasn't cheap ( bought it new 15 years ago) but the tables are nice and solid. It's also very compact and works great on a wheelie cart.

Recently bought a new General International grinder/belt combo but the tool rests are useless in my opinion. Not a bad price at around 100 bucks, but I'm building two new tool rests so I can actually grind something on it instead of just looking at it.
 
I have a Delta 1" x 30" vertical belt sander with a 6" disk. I use it nearly every time I'm in the shop, almost entirely on metal. The disk might only get used a couple of times a year.

The 4" belt sander normally only gets used for wood. The 6" x 48" is very useful for cleaning or smoothing larger pieces of metal, but doesn't get used very often.

So, the winner is a 1" vertical belt sander. As hman pointed out, the backed section is good for more precise smoothing, while the unbacked section gets used for deburring and rounding edges, the most common operation.
 
I had an old Craftsman 6" x 48" with a 9" disk that did most of what I need to do. Unfortunately, it died a violent death, thanks to a son in-law, a pickup, and no rope! You get the idea. Anyway, I replaced it with a Grizzly G1014Z. I've had it for about 3 year or so and I'm very happy with it. I would like to have a 1" or 2" by 60" or thereabouts. Maybe a good construction project for the future.
 
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