Which Metric Transposing Gears?

Jake M

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So, I've got this project, and I really want to order something "today". It's "kinda" got a deadline, but it's not life and death... My question is not so much about "how", but "which set". The project at hand requires a 1.50 thread pitch. (Not an option, it's a home made purpose built addition to an offshore "portapower" kit, and it's "in the neighborhood" of 1.5 inch (it IS 1.5 inch by thread wires if you take what's left of the paint off), by 1.5mm pitch. Taiwan from 25 years ago. 1.5mm thread gauge fits better than 17tpi, which I can't cut anyhow, but would more"n likely close enough to get buy..... Bottom line, I've put it off for a long time, and I need a metric solution.

Why have I put it off? Because "lazy". Because I like the 127/100 gear's precision. Because I like fact that other options can get me more threads, including some of the ones I might run into.

I'm wondering if you guys have a particular set you like (If I knew which option you like, I could find it, they're ALL OVER the usual scumbag sites that are gonna make me feel dirty, but it's where I'll probably get them.

I see this kit- Plastic gears, which I'm fine with, and kinda even like as a "second set" since they'll spend most of their life packed away in a drawer. I'm not giving up my matched metal ones. :cool: I like that it A, does the common pitches that I see in my life. B, I like that is specifically does 1.5mm, which is a very common size for me (although I've gotten by without for this long.....) I question- I know exactly what several of those gears do, the rest- I'm not positive as to what they do, but I like the idea of buying the "kit" once, unless there's compelling evidence that I don't want or need the "kit".

What do you guys think? Is this a good idea? (I know he's almost out, he'll be back and/or there's other kits like that).

 
That's some nice work! I've threaded on 3DPchange gears quite happily!

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Get a 127/100 gear, that is all you need.

then visit : https://ridethegeartrain.com/index.php?mode=start

I'm looking at this site, and coming up with the following (Hopefully cropped close enough to be fair use?)

"English" threading lathes with a screwcutting gearbox had a standard ex-factory drive train consisting of:
20t, 40t, 56t and an 80t idler.
Fitted with these gears the full range of threads as shown on the front of the gearbox can be generated.
To convert this gearbox to cut a full range of Metric threads the following gears are needed: 24, 26, 28, 32, 36, 44, 48, 127/100 compound,

So I need a set... ?

It goes on further to a chart of gear combinations, with (100/127) and it says I do not need extra gears. The site is clunky (Maybe it's Firefox/Linux? Maybe I can bollix up clunky web sites if I try hard enough?)

A, I'm gonna go back on a fresh browser on Windows and start fully fresh, not "reset button" fresh. Maybe I got something in there that shouldn't have been? I'm not joking about me and clunky websites.
B, I've still got handy what I figured that I can and can't do with just that gear set. I'm gonna go back in my notebook (Got my hands on that already. I did that a year and a half ago... That was a gamble). and double check where I "mathed" this some time ago. If I go with the chart... He and I disagree. Maybe I missed a combination of gears. (Or knowing me, a whole string of permutations?) That's a lot of math, I could have screwed that up.

I like your answer better than mine. Just gotta prove it and order it....
 
Which machine do you have? My 127/100 set came with about 6 extra gears to cut almost every conceivable thread.
 
Which machine do you have? My 127/100 set came with about 6 extra gears to cut almost every conceivable thread.

It's a South Bend 9A. And the extra gears are what I'm thinking. But folks are saying it's not needed.... I'm confused

I "suspect" that I won't be that put out much if I do this "wrong", but at the same time, I'd like to just do one "set", and hope for (since the world is NEVER perfect) an 80 or 90 percent coverage of anything , and 100 percent of anything that I might "realistically" run into. But there's a couple of metric threads that I KNOW must be in there.

What I'm seeing is that A, I missed a whole gear in the screw gear position when I was doing my own math. B, South Bend's original contained extra gears beyond the 127/100 gear. Those gears are "proably" not needed at all, but they "probably" make life easier? even though there's only a couple that would get used more than once in a lifetime.

I think that's what I'm gonna go with. I suspect that Jim F is right, that I could do this with just the one compound gear... But why all the extras... And what's really tearing me up the most is that I CAN wrap my head around this stuff, but today/tonight, my head is not wrapping it's self around this stuff. What's the benefit (That South Bend apparently saw?) that I'm not seeing. (That means it's probably obvious and right in front of me). The one and only time that I really have an actual use that I can't sidestep... Life is hard. But mectric threads are here to stay, and inch threads are not ever going to take back over...

That's it. The extra gears are probably not "necessary", but after the 127/100 tooth gear gets me out of the prime number problem, I'll have a lifetime to sort out the easiest way to do the rest of it.... I'm done thinking, I'm gonna go buy something.
 
Play with this spreadsheet for a while to determine what you need. I do think that extra stud gears are needed when using the 127/100 combo. This chart confirms it.
 

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Halligan142 has a video on how to set up a South Bend lathe to cut metric threads.

 
That gear set from e-bay looks like a good deal. What is missing is the chart that goes with it. I can photograph the chart on my 10K and send it to you.
 
37/47 transposing gears are also very close approximations to the 100/127 gears, but with smaller diameters
 
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