Tools/methods to help identify online scam websites

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Recently I bought two 10 foot kayaks from an online store, for what looked like a real good price. It turns out the price was too good to be true, so I had to dispute the charges with our credit card company (after the merchant totally ignored three emails I sent them). My credit card company contacted the merchant to resolve the issue, and the merchant did respond to them, with a USPS tracking number that purported to show that the items had been delivered just fine, thank you.

However. The tracking history shown on the USPS online tracking site doesn't show the actual address where the item was delivered, just which post office branch handled it. It was the same as ours. I went to our post office with the tracking number and asked if their system had additional information regarding the shipment history. They did: and it clearly showed that the items actually had not been delivered to our address. In addition, we found that the shipped item was a 18 x 3 x 13 inch box weighing 8 ounces. That seems pretty small and light for two 10-foot hard shell kayaks. So one simple way to call BS on this kind of deceit is to do a deeper dive into the shipping history.

Second, there is a web site that can look up domain names and IP addresses and provide information on the owner of the web site. It is: https://whois.domaintools.com/. When I did that, I found that the web site had only been in business for just 1 month, and all of the owner's information was withheld due to "privacy reasons". In other words, they are hiding their identity. That's a couple of red flags right there.

So the odds are pretty good that we won't be losing any money on this one. It's been a learning experience for me -- up til now I've had pretty good luck ordering stuff online. But for the most part I stick with pretty reputable merchants, ones that have strong customer service systems.
 
Good detective work. Most websites are registered with an obfuscating wall put up to prevent most folks from finding the true owner. It used to be for privacy purposes, but it would seem it's now being used by scammers and spammers. I tried to find the owner of a spamming website to no avail. In my case the furthest I could track it to was an ISP located Moscow, curiously close to the Kremlin. Decided I didn't need any further excitement in my life. I was able to convince my ISP to block any emails from the .ru domain which was the source of a lot of my spam. I was getting spam from myself, 99.9% of it came from the ISP next to the Kremlin.
 
Hiding owner information from 'whois' isn't really a 'bad sign' - it's very common practice. While it's probably not necessary for a lot of personal sites, I'd certainly do it for a business site to force people to use whatever means I had provided for contact.

GsT
 
Leaving your 'whois' information public is just giving away personal information for free. As @GeneT45 implied. Most businesses probably hide this along with many personal domains.
 
Leaving your 'whois' information public is just giving away personal information for free. As @GeneT45 implied. Most businesses probably hide this along with many personal domains.
Generally speaking you're right. But it also allows scammers and spammers to hide and avoid justice.
 
Recently I bought two 10 foot kayaks from an online store, for what looked like a real good price. It turns out the price was too good to be true, so I had to dispute the charges with our credit card company (after the merchant totally ignored three emails I sent them). My credit card company contacted the merchant to resolve the issue, and the merchant did respond to them, with a USPS tracking number that purported to show that the items had been delivered just fine, thank you.

However. The tracking history shown on the USPS online tracking site doesn't show the actual address where the item was delivered, just which post office branch handled it. It was the same as ours. I went to our post office with the tracking number and asked if their system had additional information regarding the shipment history. They did: and it clearly showed that the items actually had not been delivered to our address. In addition, we found that the shipped item was a 18 x 3 x 13 inch box weighing 8 ounces. That seems pretty small and light for two 10-foot hard shell kayaks. So one simple way to call BS on this kind of deceit is to do a deeper dive into the shipping history.

Second, there is a web site that can look up domain names and IP addresses and provide information on the owner of the web site. It is: https://whois.domaintools.com/. When I did that, I found that the web site had only been in business for just 1 month, and all of the owner's information was withheld due to "privacy reasons". In other words, they are hiding their identity. That's a couple of red flags right there.

So the odds are pretty good that we won't be losing any money on this one. It's been a learning experience for me -- up til now I've had pretty good luck ordering stuff online. But for the most part I stick with pretty reputable merchants, ones that have strong customer service systems.
I use TrendMicro Internet security and have been for 20 years +/- and it will stop 90% of the bad pages from loading.
 
Generally speaking you're right. But it also allows scammers and spammers to hide and avoid justice.
Kind of. The information is still there, and if there's real malfeasance investigators can still access it. But it does prevent (or at least inhibit) 'street justice'.

GsT
 
Running the same app on amazon, google and ebay showed they disclose more info than the scam website. And of course they've been on the web far longer.
 
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