Non hydraulic press?

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I'm thinking about getting a Chinese arbor press. They have a 3T ratcheting type on sale for about $250, which is very tempting.

But then I wonder: what if I need a higher tonnage?

If I understand it correctly, hydraulic presses dominate the market because hydraulics in general are quite cheap compared to mechanical drive systems. But if money wasn't an issue, what prevents me from building a rack (or maybe screw) type press that allows for a much finer control?

I've noticed that arbor presses come with open throats, compared to H frames. Is that an absolute requirement for the typical kind of jobs you do on them?
 
If you are building something, metal for an H press might be more economical with a bottle jack you have on hand or Harbor Freight bottle jack.
 
I've noticed that arbor presses come with open throats, compared to H frames. Is that an absolute requirement for the typical kind of jobs you do on them?
The open throat allows you to put a longer shaft in to press bearings on or off. Not a problem on a hydraulic press because of plenty of opening clearances. There are limits to how tight of a bearing you can push off with an arbor press.
I've got an older 20 ton hydraulic press, bottle jack type. Works fine for pressing bearings on or off shafts and with adapters for using it as a brake. But before I got a "3" ton arbor press I was using it for broaching. Lots & lots of strokes to make a small keyway! Harbor Frt has a cheap air operated hydraulic add on that makes for faster operation but it costs almost as much as the arbor press. The arbor press is much faster to broach with. It needs to be setup with clearance for the length of the broaches. Even the 3 Ton model doesn't have a lot of vertical clearance. Having ratcheting is very handy. I haven't had any issues with control. It needs to be securely attached to a stand or bench because it is top heavy and the leverage on the handle needs to be offset by the mass of the press stand and anchorage. I did a few minor mods to the Vevor press I bought and it works fine. The Vevor is really cheap and better than I had expected. The thin plywood box it came in was totally trashed but no damages inside. The bottom of the ram comes drilled for putting attachments that you can make to suit the job at hand. If you can come by an old press with more vertical clearance that may be of use for your applications.
 
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But then I wonder: what if I need a higher tonnage?

That depends on what you're doing. Tonnage requirements can stack up pretty high when you're not paying attention. Pushing bearings, bushings, and general stuff like that, you don't need a bunch. If you do that sort of work, you will "occasionally" exceed that, but not much. Hanging a 200 pound gorilla off of the handle in a way that exceeds the stated capacity will probably solve the problem.....

If you want to bend stuff, straighten stuff, run punches, that sort of thing, forces escalate quickly.
If I understand it correctly, hydraulic presses dominate the market because hydraulics in general are quite cheap compared to mechanical drive systems.

I wouldn't say that. I think it's because of the economy of scale in the smaller end stuff. up to 20 or 30 tons maybe, for argument's sake. (Including but not limited to junk, the good brands of light presses are included). Hydraulics are more popular because you get the most force and speed per effort applied. So the parts are rolling out of the factories in large quantities, versus uncommon styles.

But if money wasn't an issue, what prevents me from building a rack (or maybe screw) type press that allows for a much finer control?

Nothing prevents that except maybe your willingness to do some engineering calculations to be sure that you're getting what you're shooting for.

On the other hand, if you want the best precision and feel you're gonna ever get out of a press, you could use mechanical mechanisms for sure, but in practice, if you use a hand powered bottle jack, you will retain that feel. Especially if you make an appropriately sized handle. 99 percent of what anybody does on a hydraulic press doesn't "max" the capacity. A shorter handle amplifies the feel of how things are going. The fluid is non compressible, the feel comes through nicely. And doing this at home.... Assuming that you already have the stock, you can get a bottle jack for less than the cost of tool wear making a screw.

I've noticed that arbor presses come with open throats, compared to H frames. Is that an absolute requirement for the typical kind of jobs you do on them?

Arbor presses have that slot (and hopefully a daisy wheel) which keeps the front open, making it fast and efficient to push arbors into and out of round parts that don't lend themselves to mounting in a chuck when performing the required machining. They get used for a LOT of things besides that, and frankly, using arbors for fixturing is just not as common as it used to be. But it's kind of the definition of an arbor press. That's what they're meant to do.

The H frame presses are the most popular for sure, but there's other takes on that too. Not really in anything practical outside of industry, but the H frames are compact for their rating, take the smallest reasonable amount of material to build for their rating, don't take an undue amount of space for their productivity, are very versatile, and are quite popular, meaning that specialized accessories for pressing tend to be geared towards that design.

The arbor press, when used for general purposes, has a (relatively) small pass through area, BUT, it's pretty wide open. That gives a lot of freedom about what you can get in there. On the other hand, the frame is only so deep, and that's a big limitation. An H frame has no depth restriction on the front or the back, but the sides are kinda always there. That makes it awkward to for example, straighten a long bar.

The bottom line is, what do YOU want to do with this thing, and that'll guide you on to what type is best. And what materials might you have access to? You're not going to buy the steel (forget the hardware and mechanisms) to build a press for what you can buy one for. how much space do you have? An arbor press can bolt on to a work bench, but then there it is. Or a big stand. You're gonna be yarning on that lever, and you're going to find quickly that they work best if you're not strong enough to have the whole thing move when you do that. An H frame press (in a hobby use, not in industry) can pretty safely be put on casters to roll out of the way, but it's gonna eat up floor space "somewhere" at all times anyhow.

Your use case, and nobody else's is going to guide the best decisions in this case. Personally, I find the H frame type a LOT more versatile. In the lower end, you're gonna want some "proper" apron plates, some shims/spacers, and all kind of little adapters to get "everything", but it's not bad. Most can be improvised if they're not used enough to warrant making proper tooling.
Within the H frame pressses, I will say that I REALLY prefer the type with a hydraulic cylinder mounted at the top, The bottle jack style has the extra traveling part below the jack, and that, to me, is annoyingly in the way more often than I like. The mounted cylinder type also will "typically" have a much longer stroke, so less apron resets in between starting a push, and finishing a push. But again, what are YOU doing, what do YOU plan to do in the future, what space do YOU have....
 
I have used both an arbor press and hydraulic press for straightening shafts and bending parts, press fits etc. I have considered making a shaft straightening tool that is screw driven. This would allow bending something to a very controlled deflection. There are commercial versions, kind of a specialized tool..
 
I have and regularly use both a 3-ton arbor press and a homemade 50-ton hydraulic press. The arbor press is mainly used for broaching keyways. installing plain bearings (bushings) and small ball bearings. The larger hydraulic press is mainly used for removing large bearings from shafts, straightening shafts, and bending flat or round stock to specific shapes.

The arbor press is a Greenerd 3B deep throat model. While not the ratcheting style it does apply plenty of force with the lever style handle. The hydraulic press is a copy of an older Blackhawk 50-ton model. At the time I built it the materials cost less than a HF 20-ton model.
 

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If I understand it correctly, hydraulic presses dominate the market because hydraulics in general are quite cheap compared to mechanical drive systems. But if money wasn't an issue, what prevents me from building a rack (or maybe screw) type press that allows for a much finer control?
Hydraulic presses do give a fine degree of control, at least the manually pumped ones do. Consider the travel arc of the pump handle at say 20" the cylinder is only moving maybe .2" 100-1 ratio, so moving the pump handle 1" would move the cylinder .01". True, a screw press would give an even finer degree control. I personally never needed that level of precision on a press, but of course, your needs my be different.
What gets lost in hydraulics, is the tactile feel of the operation.
I have had both types of presses, arbor and hydraulic. Ideally one should have both, but if I had to choose only one, Id go with hydraulic as it has more capabilities.
 
If I was to get my dream setup it would be a 3ton arbor press on the side of my 22tn antique H frame Manley screw press. They made that as an option but I was lucky to find my antique screw press as it was. I never even knew they existed until I found this on Craigslist. I love the tactile feedback of both and prefer them to hydraulic. Especially for broaching. The old screw press has three levels of mechanical advantage. Most times I only use level two. The other wish is that it would be the open side frame type so you can feed long pieces like stock or shafts through sideways through the H frame to give wider support. I always wondered why several 50tn presses I’d seen didn’t have the solid channel frames like smaller presses. This was pointed out to me as a great feature not a cheap bug. I can’t be without either style of press as they are so useful for so many things.
 
I have three presses in the shop and maybe four is you count the ironworker (which is great for fabrication, punching holes, shearing, coping, etc.).

I have one hydraulic straightening press which has open sides and a sliding head, both of which can be helpful if you do much straightening. I keep mine set up with a brake to handle bending projects too thick for my press or finger brakes.

I also have two Greenerd arbor presses. I really like Greenerds for their heavy-duty construction and round arbors which put the force in the center of the arbor. My personal favorite is the 5S. It has the power of a smaller bottle jack press but still has a sensitive feel. It is easy to shift in and out of the compound gears - you just slide a counterweight. Also, it has a really smooth feel due to the Timken roller bearings on the pinion shaft. The movable table makes for a much greater range.

Small Chinese arbor presses and bottle jack hydraulic presses are popular in home shops. Nothing wrong with those if it gets the job done. However, I often wonder if an older, larger arbor press might not serve needs of most home shops better. I know it takes a little more patience and work to find an old larger arbor press, but if you watch the auctions and facebook Marketplace, they do occasionally come up. I’ve seen a couple recently.

Anyway, here are a few pictures of the presses and one of the ironworker.
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I have used both an arbor press and hydraulic press for straightening shafts and bending parts, press fits etc. I have considered making a shaft straightening tool that is screw driven. This would allow bending something to a very controlled deflection. There are commercial versions, kind of a specialized tool..

I stick a long travel dial indicator on the pres (not the part, for repeatability when you take the part out to check it), and find that the hydraulic presses that are hand pumped will provide that level of control and repeatability.
That task is pretty narrowly scoped, I'm quite sure that somebody's found some job that this won't work on, so I'm not claiming it to be the end all, be all solution, just a suggestion, but it's pretty accurate and repeatable when I've done it. (again, NO indicators on the part, ONLY between press parts).
 
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