Not sure if you moved the thread or not but if I where you I would stay away from Chinese lathes. Wait a little longer and you can pick up a very nice machine even if you have to drive a little. Not sure on your location but I've seen many nice newish clausing and southbends around 1980s vintage machines for $2000 all ready tooled (beautiful clausing on atl craigslist right now). For $1500 I picked up a nice 1973 American pacemaker but that's way bigger than most want but just saying. Any lathe will cut titanium just depends how fast you want to cut it. Pm for silencer info if you like.
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Lathe for Suppressor and general use
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Careful making suppressors, make sure you have the paperwork to own and build a suppressor, plus the $200 tax stamp. For airguns no paperwork or tax stamp is required. Talk to your lawyer or local class 3 gun shop for more info.
Not sure this is correct regarding air gun suppressors that can be removed--a suppressor is a suppressor. If it can be attached to an air gun, it can be attached to a firearm. Granted, I've been out of the Class III business for quite some time, but do keep up with the air gun forums. In any case, I'm sure the OP has all his paperwork and tax payments in a row. Once it's properly registered, one can attach it to anything one desires. In any case, an ambitious project!
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Airgun suppressors are highly debated.....and my belief is only one side of the story
)An airgun is not considered a firearm by the BATF, so suppressing it is legal. So long as it can not be used on a firearm (Eg. different barrel mounting)
TKO22 sells moderators, LDC's, or whatever you call them that affix to a 7/16" diameter barrel with a set screw mount, safely shooting a firearm that has a 7/16" barrel is not likely, and if you did do it the plastic baffles would shatter from pressure.
Some good reading from the one and only Dr. Robert Beeman. Does not answer the question, but sure gives a lot of info on the subject.
http://www.beemans.net/silencers_on_airguns.htm
Glad to hear there is another airgun aficionado here
)Airgun suppressors are highly debated.....and my belief is only one side of the story
An airgun is not considered a firearm by the BATF, so suppressing it is legal. So long as it can not be used on a firearm (Eg. different barrel mounting)
TKO22 sells moderators, LDC's, or whatever you call them that affix to a 7/16" diameter barrel with a set screw mount, safely shooting a firearm that has a 7/16" barrel is not likely, and if you did do it the plastic baffles would shatter from pressure.
Some good reading from the one and only Dr. Robert Beeman. Does not answer the question, but sure gives a lot of info on the subject.
http://www.beemans.net/silencers_on_airguns.htm
Glad to hear there is another airgun aficionado here
Andre, I agree air gun suppressors are a grey area, other than the integral ones provided by the manufacturer. I don't want to totally hijack the OP's post, but it is an interesting topic. I agree plastic baffles wouldn't last long (though the neoprene wipe on my Cobray suppressor was good for quite a few magazines) but they ARE replaceable and would the ATF agree? For sub-sonic .22, I bet they would be pretty effective.
If you live in a "free state", it seems like doing the paper work and coughing up the $200 tax before making one would be recommended.
Would love to PM with you, if you like so as not to further derail this interesting thread.
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Andre: I have several air rifles. My favorite is a Webley 1927(?) Service air rifle. These were used by the British Army as trainers since they have a small bolt action that pulls the barrel up against the leather seal. It is a bizarre looking rifle,but of true gun quality. In the 30's,some bird collectors would only use Webleys in the tropics due to their reliability. They have true automotive type piston rings that give excellent seals in the air chamber. The air chamber is smaller than my 1907 BSA's,but the rifle shoots just as hard.
I have 2 1907 patent date BSA rifles,a .117 and a .22(No.1 and 2 bore in British.) They are made of solid steel and are also true gun quality. No sheet metal!!
I also have 2 old Webley air pistols: A senior,and a Premier,which seems to have been a grade higher than the formerly top of the line Senior. I had a mark 1,but gave it to a friend. These Webleys were ALL machined from a billet of solid steel,not made of tubing. They were expensive guns,but worth it. I have 3 Hy Score air pistols from the 1950's. They were the hardest shooting air pistols of their era. They were designed by an engineer who designed fuel injectors for engines. A unique feature is you can lift the barrels just a bit to cock the triggers. Then,you can "dry fire" them without actually having high pressure air damage the pistons since you didn't actually fully cock the gun.
My most accurate air pistol is a 1950'5 or 60's Walther. James Bond is seen holding one vertically in a well known poster. Guess they thought most people wouldn't recognize it was an air gun. It looks like a .22 caliber Colt Woodsman. It has an absolutely hair trigger,and though not as powerful as the others,it will shoot just as accurately as a .22 pistol at 10 meters. A hard gun to cock: The small air cylinder is hidden in the grip. You put a special factory cocking block of wood over the end of the barrel to cover the sharp front sight when cocking. Otherwise,you can't cock it.
Oh,I forgot my 1950's Walther air rifle. A real competition rifle. I think it cost $1,000.00 new. It came with a factory target with 1 hole exactly the size of a pellet. But,10 pellets had gone through that hole! I managed to do that ONCE!!! It only shoots 600 FPS,but that is the speed most super accurate air guns ,at least,used to shoot at. Extra accurate .22 ammo is also not as fast as regular plinking ammo.
There are other more modern air guns,but not as interesting. The old rifles shoot as hard as my modern Kodiak .22 air rifle. It hits 900 FPS,but,that is in .22 caliber,and not with those light weight pellets that are used in getting over 1100 fps in.117 cal..
Sorry for veering the topic off course,but I know Andre is a competition air gun shooter. I looked long and far,and parted company with some very good size lettuce to find some of these old air guns.
I have 2 1907 patent date BSA rifles,a .117 and a .22(No.1 and 2 bore in British.) They are made of solid steel and are also true gun quality. No sheet metal!!
I also have 2 old Webley air pistols: A senior,and a Premier,which seems to have been a grade higher than the formerly top of the line Senior. I had a mark 1,but gave it to a friend. These Webleys were ALL machined from a billet of solid steel,not made of tubing. They were expensive guns,but worth it. I have 3 Hy Score air pistols from the 1950's. They were the hardest shooting air pistols of their era. They were designed by an engineer who designed fuel injectors for engines. A unique feature is you can lift the barrels just a bit to cock the triggers. Then,you can "dry fire" them without actually having high pressure air damage the pistons since you didn't actually fully cock the gun.
My most accurate air pistol is a 1950'5 or 60's Walther. James Bond is seen holding one vertically in a well known poster. Guess they thought most people wouldn't recognize it was an air gun. It looks like a .22 caliber Colt Woodsman. It has an absolutely hair trigger,and though not as powerful as the others,it will shoot just as accurately as a .22 pistol at 10 meters. A hard gun to cock: The small air cylinder is hidden in the grip. You put a special factory cocking block of wood over the end of the barrel to cover the sharp front sight when cocking. Otherwise,you can't cock it.
Oh,I forgot my 1950's Walther air rifle. A real competition rifle. I think it cost $1,000.00 new. It came with a factory target with 1 hole exactly the size of a pellet. But,10 pellets had gone through that hole! I managed to do that ONCE!!!
It only shoots 600 FPS,but that is the speed most super accurate air guns ,at least,used to shoot at. Extra accurate .22 ammo is also not as fast as regular plinking ammo.There are other more modern air guns,but not as interesting. The old rifles shoot as hard as my modern Kodiak .22 air rifle. It hits 900 FPS,but,that is in .22 caliber,and not with those light weight pellets that are used in getting over 1100 fps in.117 cal..
Sorry for veering the topic off course,but I know Andre is a competition air gun shooter. I looked long and far,and parted company with some very good size lettuce to find some of these old air guns.
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Andre: I have several air rifles. My favorite is a Webley 1927(?) Service air rifle. These were used by the British Army as trainers since they have a small bolt action that pulls the barrel up against the leather seal. It is a bizarre looking rifle,but of true gun quality. In the 30's,some bird collectors would only use Webleys in the tropics due to their reliability. They have true automotive type piston rings that give excellent seals in the air chamber. The air chamber is smaller than my 1907 BSA's,but the rifle shoots just as hard.
I have 2 1907 patent date BSA rifles,a .117 and a .22(No.1 and 2 bore in British.) They are made of solid steel and are also true gun quality. No sheet metal!!
I also have 2 old Webley air pistols: A senior,and a Premier,which seems to have been a grade higher than the formerly top of the line Senior. I had a mark 1,but gave it to a friend. These Webleys were ALL machined from a billet of solid steel,not made of tubing. They were expensive guns,but worth it. I have 3 Hy Score air pistols from the 1950's. They were the hardest shooting air pistols of their era. They were designed by an engineer who designed fuel injectors for engines. A unique feature is you can lift the barrels just a bit to cock the triggers. Then,you can "dry fire" them without actually having high pressure air damage the pistons since you didn't actually fully cock the gun.
My most accurate air pistol is a 1950'5 or 60's Walther. James Bond is seen holding one vertically in a well known poster. Guess they thought most people wouldn't recognize it was an air gun. It looks like a .22 caliber Colt Woodsman. It has an absolutely hair trigger,and though not as powerful as the others,it will shoot just as accurately as a .22 pistol at 10 meters. A hard gun to cock: The small air cylinder is hidden in the grip. You put a special factory cocking block of wood over the end of the barrel to cover the sharp front sight when cocking. Otherwise,you can't cock it.
Oh,I forgot my 1950's Walther air rifle. A real competition rifle. I think it cost $1,000.00 new. It came with a factory target with 1 hole exactly the size of a pellet. But,10 pellets had gone through that hole! I managed to do that ONCE!!!
There are other more modern air guns,but not as interesting. The old rifles shoot as hard as my modern Kodiak .22 air rifle. It hits 900 FPS,but,that is in .22 caliber,and not with those light weight pellets that are used in getting over 1100 fps in.117 cal..
Sorry for veering the topic off course,but I know Andre is a competition air gun shooter. I looked long and far,and parted company with some very good size lettuce to find some of these old air guns.
You really know your taste in airguns!!! Older vintage target rifles are the best, my favorite of all time was a Feinwerkbau 300 (no S) spring recoil-less target rifle. When you shot it it the action recoiled on rails inside the wood stock. Buzzed like a tuning fork, but sure was accurate. I did not own that air rifle, for competition I have a Feinwerkbau 700 aluminum but the 300 takes the cake in quality. It just feels solid. If my gun club ever sold off their rifles that would be the one to grab.
You mentioned piston rings for air rifles, they are still being used in custom springers like the Air Arms TX200 MKIII, they will almost last forever.
Thank you for the information, it is well valued. Quite a collection you got
)I read something on a case a few years ago any silencer can be considered a silencer if it works once. It was an air rifle silencer who ever was testing it adapted it to a firearm and it worked once. Which was enough to put someone in prison for a long time. Unless something new has happened in case law do not make one for an air rifle unless you have a tax stamp.
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Technically yes you are correct. But there is not one airgun suppressor mount that can not be adapted to a firearm for one shot. Or not one that I know of anyway.
Re: Lathe for Suppressors and general use
I own a G4003G..... It gets the Job done. I use mine for Airgun stuff. I wouldn't buy nothing less than the g4003g that 602 your gonna hate swapping gears all the time.
If i were to do it all over. I would by the Eisen 1340 that PM sells and buy my own accessories.
I own a G4003G..... It gets the Job done. I use mine for Airgun stuff. I wouldn't buy nothing less than the g4003g that 602 your gonna hate swapping gears all the time.
If i were to do it all over. I would by the Eisen 1340 that PM sells and buy my own accessories.
