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Monarch 10ee

Discussion in 'MONARCH MACHINE TOOL CO.' started by MattM, Jul 31, 2016.

  1. JimDawson

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    That will get you kinda close, more or less, sorta. :cautious: I have one of these and it works pretty good on my router for locating my 0-0 point, but that just has to be kinda close because I normally leave at least 1/8 inch for trim. It's useless on the mill for accurate locating, never tried it on the lathe.
     
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    Thanks for all the good advice. I guess I'm in a whole new world with this Monarch and have much to learn and much to do for me to realize its full potential. I'm thinking (hoping) it is basically sound and just needs minor adjustment. The laser has been taken to the wood shed where it shall remain.

    A retired machinist friend is coming over today and I'll get his input.

    What I need to decide is a course of action beginning with the least invasive and proceeding to ...? I guess the first step is to make damn sure the tailstock is aligned. Then taking off the collet chuck and mounting the 3-jaw ( I don't have a 4-jaw for this machine) and turning that 11" piece between centers.

    Any suggestions for "order of operations" greatly appreciated.
     
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    I second most the things doubleeboy says...

    One difference though, this lathe is so damn rigid you can't do anything with leveling. Most lathes will twist slightly, not the 10EE. I know, I tried.

    I really doubt you have bed wear. The ways are flame hardened and the only way I see these wearing is if they were using it to make graphite tooling or similar for years. You need top drawer quality chucks and collets for this machine. I do a lot a work with adjust true chucks and also softjaws.

    From what I've read, you need to go through the carriage. The old girl deserves a rebuild every 50 years or so.
     
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    Go through the carriage? Is this DIY or a job for the Monarch shop? I've rebuilt a Bridgeport Head, several Atlas lathes, and one SB Heavy Ten.
     
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    First order of business, open manual, read the set up procedure. Second, adjust those 4 carriage bearings so they are slightly snug and don't bind anywhere on bed as you traverse it. That will tell you alot about any bed or saddle wear you have. Karl is correct the bed is very hard, unfortunately something has to be softer and its the underside of carriage (saddle), so if your oiler don't work or it out of oil usually the back part of saddle wears and voila your are turning a taper up near headstock where all the work is done. Get those 4 bearings adjusted, loose the 3 jaw and collet chuck for time being and turn between centers. You can use the 3 jaw to hold a soft center, true it on the lathe and go to town. Look up Rolies Dads method or the two washer method of setting up a lathe, lots of videos on both on you tube.

    michael
     
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    I'd go as far as doubleeboy says before I'd panic.

    You'd pay a fortune to have somebody else do it. I had my carriage apart 20 years ago. I did not do any turcite buildup or scraping work but I did clean tons of swarf out, got the oiler working top shelf, replace several broken parts, way wipers, and tighten everything.

    Oh, and rollie's dads method did not work on my 10EE either. Monarch just built these these machines too damn rigid :) My tailstock is an RSH low causing a very slight taper. I just live with it. I don't even use the tailstock for much other than drilling.
     
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    OK here is where it stands:

    1 The machine is level, so says the Starrett 12" level

    2 I read the manual, nowhere does it mention anything about tweaking the carriage

    3 The spindle is running true, so says the Mitutoyo indicator

    4 The collet chuck was out a few Thou, so said the Mitutoyo

    5 Replaced the collet chuck with my one and only three jaw

    6 Turned between centers, some slight improvement, not enough to mention.
     
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    Unless Monarch changed how the carriage rides between the years 1956 and the year yours was made, there are 4 bearing that help the carriage ride down the ways, they are mounted on an eccentric cam, just like the adjuster on a metal bandsaw guide bearing, if you look under , or feel with your hand you will find em, they are not that difficult to adjust, if you have bed or carriage wear you will not get a consistent feel as you go down the bed. Check the old posts on PM, I know it is mentioned. rkepler may have written about it. These bearings being on the underside, keep the carriage from lifting up if adjusted correctly and minimal bed wear. Get down on your knees and look up or use a mirror. I would be dumbfounded if Monarch gave up on them.

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    Something is moving, in some direction. Put a known straight bar in the chuck and check in the horizontal and vertical planes with an indicator. You should be able to see a variation in the area of interest, then is a matter of figuring out where it's coming from. Do this by just pushing on things until you find something that moves. If that doesn't work come up with a new test.

    Chasing down these things can be a PITA. Don't give up too easily, you'll get it whipped. :encourage:
     
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    When you turn between centers make sure you are using a soft center that you turned on your lathe , do not remove it from chuck, or you will have to retrue it, not a hard job though. If after doing all you can to adjust carriage and dialing in tailstock you should be able to hold .001 even on a very worn machine. I believe there are posts at PM describing how to check for bed wear. When the tailstocks are new and scraped in for that particular machine, they are a tad high, a few thou and point down slightly, this gives you a margin for wear, as time passes most folks end up shimming between base of tailstock and top piece. On a 40 year old lathe I suspect your tailstock is going to need some TLC unless this machine was a one owner run by the person who owned it. I urge you to spend a lot of time at PM monarch board reading. Lots of folks have been down this road before you, only a very few are on HM, there are guys way smarter and more experienced than I at PM, Donie, rkepler, J Tiers, and many others.

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    Michael--I do believe you nailed it. Checked out the undercarriage bearings, sure enough the bearing on the headstock side was not touching, and the one on the tailstock side just barely. I adjusted the headstock bearing as much as I could . It is just barely touching (maybe I need a new bearing?).

    Bottom line: GREAT improvement. Down to about a thou over 11" on a now greatly thinned test piece. I suspect when I put the collet chuck on and turn a 1"x 12" piece it will be t--- on. Thank you, Michael. If you are ever in our territory stop by. I have some wine waiting for you.

    I'd like to get back in the shop tomorrow but The Wife and I are going away for a few days .---Matt
     
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    Glad to hear you are making progress, I cant tell if you adjusted the bearings front and back, but there are two on back side of lathe too. I don't know how those bearings could ever wear out, they turn very slow. On a well used lathe its not likely you will get them perfect but you should be able to dial it in to a happy compromise, no binding is the goal, but least amount of slop possible. I think the spec is a few thou clearance between bearing on lathe. Now to get down to tenths. On my very worn machine, I get 3 tenths taper on 3/8" diameter work piece, no measurable taper on 3/4" work. Factory spec was half a tenth over 6 or 10".

    good work
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    I'll check the backside bearings before we leave today. Thanks again.
     
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    Put the collet chuck back on, adjusted the backside bearings, chucked a 3/4 ground and polished rod sticking out 8.5", no tailstock support.

    Dead on at tailstock end, dead on at headstock end (or as close as I can read from the Mitutoyo indicator) , about .002 off in the middle.
     
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    Took the bar out and placed it in a large vee block on the surface plate. Ran over it with the .0005 indicator, no runout.
     
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    Chucked a 14" length of 1.25" axel metal turned it front to back and back to front taking .005 cuts. Beautiful finish. That's the good news. Still off .006 end to end.

    Chucked an eight inch (stick out) piece of 1" aluminum and got .006 runout over the eight inches. The problem seems to be close to the chuck. About 3-4 inches from the chuck things go to hell.

    I got thirty collets with the machine. Most of them have "pecker" marks on the nose. This indicates to me that most work was done close to the chuck.

    Comments?
     
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    I assume the axle was supported by the tailstock center which might indicate the tailstock needs adjustment.

    As far as the aluminum goes, are you sure the bar is straight to begin with? I would check it in V-blocks before I ever used it for a test bar. Not just one V-block, a V-block on each end.
     
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    Yes, it was supported by a live center. I did check and the tailstock is lined up.

    Did not check the aluminum bar beforehand. I'll check it on the V- block, I have a large one.

    I've been chasing this since I got the machine a few weeks ago. I'm thinking the ways are off near the headstock because it appears most work was done there. Guess I'll just have to live with it. I'm not about to have the ways reground, that would cost more than I paid for the machine.

    So, what's the downside? I'll still be able to thread, cut tapers, face, but what about chambering? I'll use my Clausing if I have to do any long turning.
     
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    No expert in this area, but a few things to consider.
    1. If you had excessive wear near the headstock on the bed, this would drop the cutter head relative to the center line of the chuck. Assuming the cutter is cutting on center line this would increase the diameter of the work at that end, as oppose to decrease it, but decrease the diameter toward the tailstock end assuming that on the center line (cutter would move up or down relative to the center line). You might double check the cutter height, and take a few passes with slight height adjustments. You should also be able to check tailstock height, if it is just a touch high or low relative to the chuck, the diameter will increase at the tailstock end assuming the cutter is at center at the chuck.

    2. Check the TIR of chucked stock at the headstock, if it is out 2-3 thousandth, then that will give you the profile you describe.

    3. If you have a 0.0001" dial gauge with a flat tip, mount it to the carriage first run it the horizontal plane, then the vertical plane, use something like a 12-18" ground precision rod and run it up and down the X axis slowly turning the chuck by hand wo/w support at the tailstock. Note the +/- TIR swing around 0 along the rod. Wider swing at one end would suggest a centering issues, wider swing in one direction, would suggest an alignment issue. If in the vertical plane the tailstock is high or low, it may need to shimmed or ground.

    4. I would try to take a few passes with a very sharp cutter on Al bar stock with the stock held at different lengths w/wo the tailstock, like 6, 8 and 12". This will give you some idea of the affect where the problem is occurring and the influence of the tailstock on the cut.
     
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    I do not suspect this is your problem, but its best to rule out the easy stuff first, have you trammed your tailstock bore to your spindle yet. You can have tailstock centered front to back just perfect but if your tailstock is high or low by more than a thou or so you can have problems, Usually what happens is people move the tailstock incorrectly. They loosen tailstock clamp and push it or pull it by top of tailstock at the spindle or handwheel. This tilts that tailstock and the soft cast iron base starts wearing on the hard ways, so tailstock drops, the factory knows this and most good lathes come 3 thou high but with spindle tilted down, so over time the wear get about 10 thou or so and rube decides to shim tailstock, so he puts a big ass shim in, and gets it kind of good, but now tailstock is tilted up and high. 10ee tailstocks are not the easiest to shim, but its doable, you will likely have to stack small shims in combination to get front and back more or less equal in height.

    If its bed / carriage wear it can show as larger diameter near headstock or smaller, depending on which way wore, or more likely the back side oil line got clogged, so no oil to back way, back side of carriage wears against the hard bed and wears lower tilting whole carriage top, causing bearing adjustment issues on the 4 bearings you adjusted last week. To check for the important to me last 2 inches up near headstock, I like to chuck a piece of 3/4" brass, nibble east a quarter inch, down to 3/8" diameter now do the next quarter inch moving west, repeat till you have taken off a inch and half or two inches and see what your change in diameter is, this method should limit tool push off if you take light cuts with a wicked sharp positive rake tool. On a machine with as accurate a leadscrew as you have in cross slide, you should be able to repeat your place with a few tenths, so after taking your several cuts it should be good with in a few tenths of variations due to cuts. I hope this makes sense. This is how I was taught to check out a lathe, it is pretty certain to show if ways or carriage are badly worn up near headstock. If this test works out, then I leave about an inch or maybe a bit more of 3/8" stock sticking out of chuck and do it again down to a 1/4" diameter, if that is half decent I am good to go. This test takes about 10 minutes including set up, I did it repeatedly on the road when I checked out machines before purchase. If you think you have a real bad area farther away from headstock do same type of test using much longer rod and steady rest. In my experience you want to use as small a diameter rod as possible when chasing bed wear issues.


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    Thank you all.

    I may be closing in on it. I took the collet chuck off and apart and cleaned it in the solvent tank. While it was off I again checked the spindle runout internally. No detectable runout with the Intrapid. Put the collet chuck on and checked it. Runout of about .002. Put the ground precision rod it. Turned by hand. Same problem 5-6 thou over eight inches.

    Off with the collet chuck and on with the 3-jaw. Put the aluminum bar back in. Skim cut makes it look good, very little runout over 8".

    I've been working on this for two hours and need a break. I'll get back later to take another cut. Right now I'm thinking the collet chuck may be the culprit. However with the 3-jaw and dog I'm not cutting close to the tailstock as I was with the collet chuck.

    To be continued...
     
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    OK back at it after a short Harley ride to blow the stink off.

    Took two more skim cuts. Dead on over 6". I'm calling it good. I do think the accuracy was dialed in because I was not getting close to the headstock where the problem was occurring and was not using my collet chuck. I'm going to use 3 and 4 jaw chucks for work of any length. Might just use the collets for very short work and buy a new collet chuck.

    Any ideas on a good four jaw? My three jaw is a Buck.
     
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    It came with a 8" Norton or similar 4 jaw chuck. Personally I like my 6" Bison better, easier to handle and grips smaller stuff better. I believe Grizzly has or had in recent past good prices on Bison. To save some bucks you could get a Shars, they stand behind their stuff and its okay. If you want a nice collet chuck look for a Hardinge Sjogren 5c or 2J. There is not much that can go wrong with them The atlas copy now available is way to expensive, I picked up a used Sjogren for $275 recently, hold a thou or less, and its a speed chuck. Conversely if you don't need a speed chuck you can get a budget CDCO 5 c chuck with plain back, buy their back plate, bore it out 20 thou, and set it up with set screws for a budget set tru collet chuck for around $200 total, or get bold and drop the bucks on a set tru collet chuck from Bison, but hold on to your wallet they have really gone up in recent years.

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    Soft Jaws are EXTREMELY useful on the 10EE. Get a chuck with replaceable jaws and learn to do any work that needs to be dead nuts on center with them

    BTW, "dead nuts" is an official engineering term. The notation is done by drawing a pair of nuts with an arrow through them
     

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    So some suggestion below. Two of the chucks I use are the Bison 5C set tru and their 8" combination chuck, both require backing plates. You could also use a direct 5C, would need a plain back D1-3 backing plate, but at that level the set tru for a few dollars more is probably a better choice. If you only use 5C occasionally, then the Atlas chuck mounted 5C may be worth considering. On the 4J, most have very wide and rough jaws, which I find does not work well in a number of clamping situations. The Bison combination chuck has narrower jaws at the tips (0.2") and clamps very well, then a few seconds to tweak the independent jaws to get the last few thousandth dialed down to zip. Be aware of the speed limitations of these chucks. I think Ajax and Quality Machine Tools has some of the best pricing on Bison chucks. I wouldn't go with Gator, I have used some of their chucks, but recent posts have indicated significant defect issues. Buy a cheap chuck when your chasing accuracy, do not expect much.

    One thing to note on 5C collets and clamping, the collets can vary a bit more on TIR compared to something like an ER system, and if the stock being held is a tad under or over the collet size it can clamp quite irregularly and exacerbate the TIR.

    Pratt Burnerd Front Hand Wheel Quickie 5C Collet Chucks D1-3 PB23-D3 http://www.prattburnerd.com/detail.php?p=CC&l=CCL&m=QFH
    Chuck mounted Quick Change 5C Collet Chuck Atlas Model No. COL5C http://www.prattburnerd.com/detail.php?p=CC&l=CCL&m=QC5
    Bison 5C Set Tru Collet Chuck, will need a D1-3 set tru backing plate http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/bisettrucoch1.html

    Bison Independent Lathe Chuck - 8" D1-3 Mount, 4-Jaw 7-853-0833 http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/biinlach8d1m1.html
    Bison Scroll Chuck - 8" Plain Mount, 4-Jaw 7-848-0800 http://www.ajaxtoolsupply.com/biscch8plmo4.html
     
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    Again thanks to all.

    I chucked the axel back in between centers. Two skim cuts in and out. Off maybe half a thou over 11'. Is that dead nuts or ti-- on?
     
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    Matt, those numbers are good enough for most humans and if you mention tenths to most job shops they roll their eyes and say nobody machines to that. Like I said before and you can confirm for yourself the factory spec is half a tenth over x number of inches, 6, 10, 12 I forget. IMO better than 3 or 4 tenths is only necessary on small diameter fits, shrink, press or slip and hi precision die work, or pins for nuclear weapons triggers which is what the 10ee did a boatload of in the early 1940s. If you are happy, what the rest think is meaningless. Myself, I constantly kick my self for buying a machine that I knew could only hold 3 tenths on small diameters, <1/2". If I could have been lucky or looked longer I could have gotten more accuracy. Why does it matter to me, when I build small engines its tough for me to hold a tenth or two on 1/8" valve stems. My answer was to buy a second machine from Taiwan, a definite price point machine, it can do the work but its not near as much fun to operate and was not designed like the EE was. As you likely have read in old literature, their goal was to make a machine for the best machinist in a precision shop to operate all day long and not complain about surface finish, smooth operating controls, controls located in fatigue free locations. If you get your machine dialed in to a accuracy level that you can understand for repeatable performance, and you can live with be very happy, you are driving a cross between a Ferrari and a Rolls Royce. Not too dusty for what you paid.

    On another note regarding chucks, you could always buy a good 4 jaw and a small quality 3 jaw that you could hold in the 4 jaw, pretty much cover everything a hobbyist would need as long as you don't want to do repetitive work with speed and accuracy. I have a friend who for years before getting an EE ran a Wade toolroom lathe, a very fine lathe, and he used a 4 jaw with a Sherline 3 jaw that fit in it and did work most people can only dream of.

    Congrats on your progress
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    I am enjoying the progress being reported on the 10EE. I picked up a 0ld 10EE for basically scrap price last year. Mine is a 1939 model with a Sundstrand drive. Between the drive and the end cover being missing, nobody but me was dumb enough to take it on. I was fortunate enough to locate a similar era cover and taper attachment from a machine that was being scrapped. The drive had stopped running about ten years ago and was then rebuilt to full function. The owner retired shortly after and the lathe has been parked since. I am just now starting the process of cleaning her up and plan to drain and replace the fluid in the drive. The ways appear to be pristine still. It is reported to me that this one was the personal machine of the company owner.

    We'll see. I wanted a 10EE and don't see how I could have possibly gotten into one any cheaper. A gentleman reasonably close by has a Sunstrand 10EE that is operational and has offered to let me examine his machine and to offer any help that he can provide. I am going to try to save the old girl but if that is not possible, I'll locate another down the road when finances allow. Right now I have two lathes in my shop, a very nice USAF Heavy 10 and the 10EE which is still in the clean up stage. It is my hope to pick up a Mori or Whacheon gearhead in the near future, this would also satisfy my occasional need to turn metric threads.

    Please keep the progress reports coming on your machine. I learn something from every post and thread that I read on the forum.
     
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    I can get this same chuck from MSC for $527.25 free shipping. Ajax wants $745+shipping. I'd rather have a 6 inch but I think I'll go with the eight at this price.
     

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