How do you guys have time (and patience) to deal with this stuff? I don't, not at all. I'm convinced it's just better to go with Amazon or order from a brick and mortar source, even if it costs a little more. Someplace with a phone number to call. Going "fishing" for deals and hoping to pull out a China-made whopper of a bargain just doesn't jive with my good sense. No intent to offend, I'm just baffled when these threads come up. If nothing else, it's good marketing research we can benefit from.