Recommendations for Lathe and Mill with Space Limitations

I don't recommend blocking an exit with a piece of heavy equipment that will normally be (relatively) fixed to the floor with either floor locks or high-end casters.

I have the exterior door in my basement shop blocked, but only by the Bandsaw Bench & Shop Vac Cart:

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Since the casters aren't locked, I can get these pulled out of the way and be out the door in about 15 seconds (even with my left arm in a sling), and probably faster with my Adrenaline pumping.
Concerns noted and acknowledged.

Under normal circumstances I would never consider blocking an exterior escape route; however, there is a second exterior door in the next room over (my 'storage room') approximately twelve steps away, so I think I'm good.

My 1100SF three-car garage was constructed with a total of four exterior doors, not counting the vehicle doors. It was that way when we bought the house; previous owner was a plumbing contractor who liked doors, apparently.
 
Concerns noted and acknowledged.

Under normal circumstances I would never consider blocking an exterior escape route; however, there is a second exterior door in the next room over (my 'storage room') approximately twelve steps away, so I think I'm good.

My 1100SF three-car garage was constructed with a total of four exterior doors, not counting the vehicle doors. It was that way when we bought the house; previous owner was a plumbing contractor who liked doors, apparently.
Short of a walking closet I generally like at least 2 ways in and out of every room.
 
***UPDATE***

So today I was discussing the lathe (and mill) selection process with the spousal unit. She is totally supportive of all of my hobbies (as I am of hers) and I like bouncing ideas off of her, as she is a retired Senior Admin Assistant from a large California municipality and has a knack for clearly seeing the 'big picture'. She reminded me of the size of our financial windfall and questioned whether I really need to consider any used machines, because as she sees it I'd only be taking a chance on buying someone else's problems. I countered that sometimes part of the fun is finding a bargain and then fixing it up.

Anyway, after a bit more back and forth I've decided that I'm going to concentrate on buying new, rather than used. Which is good, as it narrows down my criteria and let's me focus more on size & features, and will let me get up and running much faster.

Grizzly and Precision Matthews are two companies that are well established and seem to get many favorable reviews, so that's where I'm starting.
I think a 12 x 36 is the largest size that I can comfortably fit in my tool room, although I would consider something smaller. I like the digital readouts and DRO, so that's on my list too. Cabinet unit (vs bench mount) is a plus.

Any suggestions for other features I should consider?

Thanks again.
 
I feel oddly compelled to counter the advice to buy big. Too big is a problem. Bigger machines cost more, are harder to transport, tooling costs more, etc. I recommend a 9x20 lathe and RF-45 mill. Also, buy new if you can. Used machines appear to be amazing deals but often the buyer does not include the value of their time and the lifestyle level of commitment required to find good deals. And you only hear about the success stories.
Not if you have the space, and bigger machines often cost less because most people don't have the space for them so demand is lower.

I'm just outside of Detroit where we have a lot of surplus machinery of every size imaginable. Machines like a nice South Bend Heavy 10 regularly sell for more than I paid for my Victor 1640 with similar tooling. I've owned three SB Heavy 10s, and they're nice little machines, but are like toys compared to the Victor. Sure, tooling will usually cost a bit more, but that can normally be spread out over time, and isn't an ongoing expense. I just made a deal to sell my 12 x 24 Clausing for more than what I have in my 14 x 48 Clausing, with similar tooling. So larger isn't always cheaper.
 
***UPDATE***

So today I was discussing the lathe (and mill) selection process with the spousal unit. She is totally supportive of all of my hobbies (as I am of hers) and I like bouncing ideas off of her, as she is a retired Senior Admin Assistant from a large California municipality and has a knack for clearly seeing the 'big picture'. She reminded me of the size of our financial windfall and questioned whether I really need to consider any used machines, because as she sees it I'd only be taking a chance on buying someone else's problems. I countered that sometimes part of the fun is finding a bargain and then fixing it up.

Anyway, after a bit more back and forth I've decided that I'm going to concentrate on buying new, rather than used. Which is good, as it narrows down my criteria and let's me focus more on size & features, and will let me get up and running much faster.

Grizzly and Precision Matthews are two companies that are well established and seem to get many favorable reviews, so that's where I'm starting.
I think a 12 x 36 is the largest size that I can comfortably fit in my tool room, although I would consider something smaller. I like the digital readouts and DRO, so that's on my list too. Cabinet unit (vs bench mount) is a plus.

Any suggestions for other features I should consider?

Thanks again.
I totally understand where your wife is coming from, she doesn't want to see you struggle with an older machine when you could just start working with something new that meets your needs. If you already have other hobbies perhaps fixing up old machines is a rabbit hole that's worth avoiding. Many of us have to hunt for bargains and make compromises when selecting tools, but if you can go for exactly what you want why waste time....

Between Grizzly and Precision Matthews....

Well, only one of them is a forum sponsor here, and they have a great reputation for after sales support. So, if between those two I'd definitely go with Precision Matthews. I don't own any of their machines but forum consensus seems to favor their Taiwan built machines.

But, since you're in SoCal I'd recommend making a visit to Eisen Machinery.


They import from some of the same factories that PM sources from and they're a little more geared towards the professional shop. You could consider toolroom lathes if you want more precision, but for hobby machining their 13x24 lathe might really suit your needs and space.


They don't seem to have a baby Bridgeport like the PM 935TS which is what I'd be looking at if I were buying new for a small space though.


I'm really looking forward to seeing what you end up with, I enjoy fixing up old machines, but lathes and mills are fairly complex and can hide significant problems even when you look close. Having a dedicated vendor with a solid reputation is the best insurance against disappointment.

If you haven't figured it out yet we really enjoy helping folks spend their money....

I know you're not looking for a full size mill, but if I had the space and funds I'd be looking at Wells Index, still built in the US and from what I can tell every bit as good as they built back in the day.



Cheers,

John
 
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I agree with your wife, if you have the funds, a new machine could be fewer headaches down the road. I bought a new PM 1236T mainly because I did not want to be repairing a used lathe and the uncertainty of hidden problems. I would recommend Taiwanese machines over Chinese, they are better built and you should have fewer problems with them. Taiwanese machines are not without problems though, but in general should be much better.

Precision Matthews is a good choice for a lathe, the suggestion for Eisen above is good too, the 12x36 lathes look to be identical. Eisen offers a 24” version of the 12” swing lathe, that will make it a bit easier to fit into your space, provided you are not going to need the additional 12” bed length for any of your projects. A DRO is very nice to have on a lathe, PM will install that for you, I’m not sure if Eisen does that, but it’s not that difficult to do it yourself.
 
I tend to agree, I think the largest I would consider right now is a 12 x 36 lathe. Haven't really looked at mills enough yet to form an opinion.
Purchasing new does appeal to me also, especially if I can get something with all the goodies as a package deal. And fortunately I am in a position financially to consider that possibility.

To have a comfortable shop, I would guess you'll spend the cost of the lathe again on tools, collets, various chucks, ancillary equipment, and stock. That's been my experience. Does anyone else remember the total cost of bringing in a machine?

There seems to be quite a lot of wisdom in the advice to buy bigger, which is probably why @GrifterGuru brought it up. Bigger machines have more features and the build quality is usually better than a hobby machine, to mention a few. However, there's sometimes a case for smaller machines. For example, one of the Moores wrote specifically about machine size when discussing the design of their jig borer---too large a machine is an inconvenience to the operator. There are certain opinions that are represented prominently (old iron, bigger is better) and I just wanted to throw in a few cents.
 
To have a comfortable shop, I would guess you'll spend the cost of the lathe again on tools, collets, various chucks, ancillary equipment, and stock. That's been my experience. Does anyone else remember the total cost of bringing in a machine?

My Sherline lathe and mill are the only machines I bought new. I have easily doubled their purchase price with tooling and accessories, not including general tools like tool boxes, micrometers, calipers etc.

The mill seems to be the real money pit. Most lathes come with a steady rest, tailstock drill chuck, centers, a 3 jaw chuck, and sometimes a 4 jaw chuck which is enough to get you started off. Maybe a collet chuck and follow rest as soon to buy items but that will take care of most people for sometime.

A mill usually comes with nothing, so a vise, drill chuck with adaptor, appropriate collets, some end mills, flycutter etc can easily add $1000 over the purchase price and that is pretty much just bare essentials. Indexable face mill, rotary table, angle plate, hold down set, spindexer, dividing head, etc you can just keep writing checks, make sure to wave hello to the rabbit as you pass on by. :)

Then you have general use tools, tool boxes, drill bits, metrology tools, misc tongs, hammers, wrenches, scribing tools, lights, oil cans, fluids, rolls of emery cloth... Depending on existing shop tools, if you don't already have one you will want to add bench grinder and bandsaw or chop saw.

I think it is safe to say you could easily spend another $2000 in the first year at least if buying everything new.
 
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