New 1922. Gearing issues.

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Hi just bought a new to me 1922. Its my first lathe. Here are some pictures of my mostly done install. It came with legs but I am mounting it on a bench top in my garage. It was in pretty decent shape and all I am doing is wiping it down and lubing it. It came with one 3 jaw chuck, 5C collet closer, bunch of 5c collets, lantern tool post, steady rest, and palmgren milling attachment. IMG_5569.jpgIMG_5567.jpgIMG_5565.jpg
 
I am a bit confused about my gear setup though. The previous owner took parts from a few lathes to fixup this one and I am not sure that the gearing is correct for threading. Here is a picture of the current gears. I have discovered that the 1922 had two different gear setups, the early with a 24t spur and 48t screw (have not been able to determine correct idler size), and the late with a 36t spur, 72t screw, 64t idler. My lathe falls in the early version as mine is only the 4th made after the conversion to 1922 from 922 according to the serial number on the bed and my threading plate backs this up. Currently my gears are 48t spur, 48t screw, and 60t idler. My spare spacer gear is 46t but I am not sure its a gear for this as its thicker then the other gears. Its the same thickness as the reverse gear and idler gears that connect to the spindle. About 1/8" thicker. I am fairly new and confused by the whole gearing ratios to threads but I gather I can only do the 4 - 7 threads per inch row with my gears and that I would need to get a 24t to get all the others? Also does anyone know if the 60t idler is correct for this older setup?lathe_gears_descriptions.png
 
Get some PVC and start practicing.

I'm sure someone will come along with more specific answers to your questions but there's really only one way to learn this stuff....

John
 
Get some PVC and start practicing.

I'm sure someone will come along with more specific answers to your questions but there's really only one way to learn this stuff....

John
Is that for practicing using the lathe in general or threading specifically?
 
A manual is going to be your biggest aid. You can make a contribution to this site to access documents, filter for "Logan", buy one from Scott Logan as a gesture for his families continued support of the machines, or get one from Vintage Machinery, look for Logan Manufacturing.

Idler gear doesn't matter. The gear on the outside is there as a good place to store it, the bolt is longer so " something " is always required as a spacer.

The 46 is probably after market, but it it fits, it fits. If you can't find a 24 tooth on eBay, A nylon one will work fine, there is a guy on eBay who makes them. Also a good source for the transposing gear required for metric threading. This is a great forum, the get help now is really that, lots of people willing to help you learn and get over the "crisis de jour."
 
Is that for practicing using the lathe in general or threading specifically?
Both. Look up the thread pitch for the small disposable propane bottles. 1in PVC can be turned both inside & outside to fit. Suggest simply cutting first, slow speed! While you get used to the clutch & half threads.
Additional "advice." If you decide you want a quick change tool post, I strongly suggest you save, cry once & buy either of the two US made. Till then what you wave will work fine. Other than that, A Shar's tool post is, IMHO, your best buy. The Chinese tool holders tend to work fine on any tool post. I have two to part with, use my profile to send me a note if you are interested. Both are low time not that it matters.

Do NOT be tempted by the cheap carbide tooling. It MUST be sharpened to work well, and that's best done on a diamond wheel. Others will say a regular wheel is fine. Whatever.
If you decide to go with inserts, do yourself a favor and get David P. Best's book on indexable tooling. Money very well spent IMHO. 1/2 is a good size for your 11"

High Speed Steel (HHS) is what this lathe was made for. There are several options in addition to traditional hand grinding. A.R. Warner makes insert HHS tooling. My favorite is Eccentric Engineering diamond or tangential tool holder. Again, cry once. But they sharpen quickly and often a simple honing will sharpen them right up. He has YouTube videos on them.

On YouTube look up Blondihacks. Quinn has an excellent set of beginner videos. She also uses a Diamond Tool holder a lot in her later videos. MIT also has beginners lessons. Mr. Pete has hundreds, but not as organized. On his web site he sells lessons specifically for a Logan 10" the 11" has identical controls. Money I'm not sorry I spent.

Please continue to ask away, and others may give good reasoning for other opinions.

EDIT: Remember, the school of hard knocks is rarely cheap and often leads to stories that are only funny after some time has passed. Tooling will over years often exceed the cost of the lathe. A little bit at a time. Good|Quick|Cheap. Many enjoy the tool making aspect of the hobby regardless of the time required. Others not so much so buy what they can to get their project done. Over time you will figure out your balance. The search tool here will help you find many previous lessons learned to follow up on if it's not quite what you need. But looking first will win you a lot more willing help when a question has already been answered 10 times. FWIW.
 
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Awesome info! Thanks for your reply.

Scott Logan answered my gear question. The 60t spare gear is correct but the 46t is not a change gear as it 9/16” wide. I need a 24t. He sent me this chart on the two variations for the 1922.logan_gears.png
 
Do you happen to have the website link to Mr. Petes paid tutorials? I am web searching but am only seeing his free youtube videos.

Never mind I found a youtube video where he talks about how to get them. Old school mail.
 
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Similar situation with my 820 not having the correct gears and found a 48 and 60 tooth gears on ebay, tax and shipped for $135.46 The seller is Herman and Company https://www.ebay.com/str/hermanandcompanyetc?_trksid=p4429486.m3561.l161211

I contacted the seller to see if he had another 48 tooth one and his reply was that he has more gears that are scheduled to list.

Hope this helps,

Harry
 
Found the 24t gear on Ebay for good price. Aloris is having a 20% sale right now so I picked up a tool post with 1 of each of the first two tool holders. Then I bought six more accusize tool holders, which seem to recommended as a good compromise on quality vs price.
 
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