HSS Tooling For The Lathe -Apples and Oranges

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Ah, the end of a four day work week :) =27 days to go.....

I am working on improving my HSS grinding skills to create the perfect threading tool.

This morning I was roughing two pieces of 1/2" HSS at work. First off, I took my 4 1/2" angle grinder and cut off an ugly grind to start over. I was grinding on a piece of, Super M0-Max COBALT, Cleveland OH. Man is this stuff tough!!

I then proceeded to rough the shape as outlined with a sharpie.
The other piece of HSS is from Shars. It's M2, same size.

The difference in grinding time is significant. I thought it would be subtle, it's not.

Maybe this is not a fair comparison? I have some, Rex as well, I assume it is equally tough.

Now I know why batches of old HSS ground blanks are so much money on Ebay. A pile of partially used HSS blanks for $30 now seems dirt cheap.

Apples and Oranges.
McMaster Carr (1) 1/2" X 4" 10 degree bevel- tool blank
PMT15 M2 M42 M48
$37 $28 $32 $62

SHARS M2
$5.70

(Don't point and giggle :), I'll clean them up on my DIY Lapping machine later)

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Technical Data » Grade » M42

M42 Super High Speed Steel​


M42 super high speed steel is a premium cobalt high speed steel with a chemical composition designed for high hardness and superior hot hardness. These properties make the steel an excellent choice for machining high-strength and pre-hardened steels, high-hardness alloys, and the difficult-to-machine, nonferrous super alloys used in the aerospace, oil, and power generation industries.

M42 exhibits excellent wear resistance by virtue of high heat-treated hardness (68 to 70 HRC), and the high cobalt content imparts the hot hardness. As such, the cutting edges on tools made from M42 super high speed steel stay sharp and hard in heavy-duty and high-production cutting applications.

APPLICATIONS: Twist drills, taps, milling cutters, reamers, broaches, saws, knives, and thread rolling dies.
 

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M2 is relatively soft in comparison to M42.
The cobalt in M42 is what you need to do work with abrasive or tougher materials.
The HSSE blanks get a workout in my shop
I leave the M2 for soft materials
 
Now I know why batches of old HSS ground blanks are so much money on Ebay. A pile of partially used HSS blanks for $30 now seems dirt cheap.
Shhhh! Don't tell anybody... :) I have bought nearly all of my cutting tools that way, for unbelievably low pricing, and have enough to pretty much always find one of the correct length and roughly shaped to allow a quickly made tool. Most are also highly regarded brands and quality alloys. Not all used things are inferior, ignore the shiny new stuff...
 
I have a Diamond Tool holder that came with a Chinese HSS tool bit in it and had never been
happy with it. I switched over to an older USA made bit and the difference
was night and day. Cuts better, and I don't have to sharpen as often as well.
 
Ah, the end of a four day work week :) =27 days to go.....

I am working on improving my HSS grinding skills to create the perfect threading tool.

This morning I was roughing two pieces of 1/2" HSS at work. First off, I took my 4 1/2" angle grinder and cut off an ugly grind to start over. I was grinding on a piece of, Super M0-Max COBALT, Cleveland OH. Man is this stuff tough!!

I then proceeded to rough the shape as outlined with a sharpie.
The other piece of HSS is from Shars. It's M2, same size.

The difference in grinding time is significant. I thought it would be subtle, it's not.

Maybe this is not a fair comparison? I have some, Rex as well, I assume it is equally tough.

Now I know why batches of old HSS ground blanks are so much money on Ebay. A pile of partially used HSS blanks for $30 now seems dirt cheap.

Apples and Oranges.
McMaster Carr (1) 1/2" X 4" 10 degree bevel- tool blank
PMT15 M2 M42 M48
$37 $28 $32 $62

SHARS M2
$5.70

(Don't point and giggle :), I'll clean them up on my DIY Lapping machine later)

From Hudson Tool Steel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Technical Data » Grade » M42

M42 Super High Speed Steel​


M42 super high speed steel is a premium cobalt high speed steel with a chemical composition designed for high hardness and superior hot hardness. These properties make the steel an excellent choice for machining high-strength and pre-hardened steels, high-hardness alloys, and the difficult-to-machine, nonferrous super alloys used in the aerospace, oil, and power generation industries.

M42 exhibits excellent wear resistance by virtue of high heat-treated hardness (68 to 70 HRC), and the high cobalt content imparts the hot hardness. As such, the cutting edges on tools made from M42 super high speed steel stay sharp and hard in heavy-duty and high-production cutting applications.

APPLICATIONS: Twist drills, taps, milling cutters, reamers, broaches, saws, knives, and thread rolling dies.
I have been told that with HSS tools that grinding to redness (angle grinder manouver) is not a good idea, that it can cause micro cracking of the ground cutting edge leading to breakdown of the cutting edge; better to grind cool with a coarse wheel.
 
Shhhh! Don't tell anybody... :) I have bought nearly all of my cutting tools that way, for unbelievably low pricing, and have enough to pretty much always find one of the correct length and roughly shaped to allow a quickly made tool. Most are also highly regarded brands and quality alloys. Not all used things are inferior, ignore the shiny new stuff...
Bob, I've been looking at those lots of ground HSS tools for the same reason. You get some old machinists carefully ground quality pieces of tooling for a fraction of todays prices. I may just step up next time after seeing how much the good stuff is.
 
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