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I do believe it was the generation before mine. I was born in 57. When I was in my 20s they were already closing shop classes and selling the hardware. By the time I was in my 40s I was surprised when I heard about a still running program.
Not everyone is college material. But the powers that be didn't recognize that.
We need skilled labor. And believe it or not, we need unskilled labor. Who's going to do the dirty jobs? Garbage, sewers in suburbs and cities, man power to mow, clean up after large disasters. People willing to learn a craft like concrete , roofing, painting, demolition.
Machinists to prototype ideas, woodworkers to build here, rather than off shore. With CNC in machining, we need people to load material for jobs, start them, recognize when they need intervention... But in the future that maybe all robotic. it's headed that way because of the lack of help, and reliability of people showing up for the job. Some of that is the current generation ... they expect to be treated like kings/queens and give little back... Some can be laid at the feet of owners/managers who are absolute A holes. I will lay a lot at the younger generation, I have watched too many do so little and think they have done so much... I watch in horror sometimes. I had a team of gen x ers we had a go live, it wasn't going well, a lot of their programs were failing and needed repair. we were supposed to do a shutdown and put new code in place, and restart... not one of them brought their laptops home or were prepared to work the night. I was shocked. I was used to working all the way through the night on go lives like that. The next day the manager through a Fit that the work wasn't done.
So there is enough blame to go around to everyone, including me, and my generation. While none of us intentionally did this, we watched it with apathy while it happened. We say what can one person do. I have a friend that has never voted... Ever. his theory is his vote doesn't matter...
The most important thing is to take the voting serious.
The next is to really understand the candidates... (that's still impossible) I can't help... Our biggest problem is the lies that the candidates tell about themselves and the lies they tell and others about the other candidate. Almost every one of them has a motive for why they want office. Yes it's power... but they have a problem and they are most concerned about that one thing, that's what gets most of them to run.. it's not for you or me... its for their problem. After that, it's for the $$$$$$ once they find out what a cash cow and power is...
We have to be more interested, and less apathetic. We can't let candidates that are out for ME... ME... ME to dominate... we need to get people who get the real problem that we see. We need someone with common sense. Not necessarily a business sense. And certainly not a politician.
edit: btw my local HS still has a woodworking shop program.. no metal, no other shop class. I was shocked when I moved here and saw they still had it.
Not everyone is college material. But the powers that be didn't recognize that.
We need skilled labor. And believe it or not, we need unskilled labor. Who's going to do the dirty jobs? Garbage, sewers in suburbs and cities, man power to mow, clean up after large disasters. People willing to learn a craft like concrete , roofing, painting, demolition.
Machinists to prototype ideas, woodworkers to build here, rather than off shore. With CNC in machining, we need people to load material for jobs, start them, recognize when they need intervention... But in the future that maybe all robotic. it's headed that way because of the lack of help, and reliability of people showing up for the job. Some of that is the current generation ... they expect to be treated like kings/queens and give little back... Some can be laid at the feet of owners/managers who are absolute A holes. I will lay a lot at the younger generation, I have watched too many do so little and think they have done so much... I watch in horror sometimes. I had a team of gen x ers we had a go live, it wasn't going well, a lot of their programs were failing and needed repair. we were supposed to do a shutdown and put new code in place, and restart... not one of them brought their laptops home or were prepared to work the night. I was shocked. I was used to working all the way through the night on go lives like that. The next day the manager through a Fit that the work wasn't done.
So there is enough blame to go around to everyone, including me, and my generation. While none of us intentionally did this, we watched it with apathy while it happened. We say what can one person do. I have a friend that has never voted... Ever. his theory is his vote doesn't matter...
The most important thing is to take the voting serious.
The next is to really understand the candidates... (that's still impossible) I can't help... Our biggest problem is the lies that the candidates tell about themselves and the lies they tell and others about the other candidate. Almost every one of them has a motive for why they want office. Yes it's power... but they have a problem and they are most concerned about that one thing, that's what gets most of them to run.. it's not for you or me... its for their problem. After that, it's for the $$$$$$ once they find out what a cash cow and power is...
We have to be more interested, and less apathetic. We can't let candidates that are out for ME... ME... ME to dominate... we need to get people who get the real problem that we see. We need someone with common sense. Not necessarily a business sense. And certainly not a politician.
edit: btw my local HS still has a woodworking shop program.. no metal, no other shop class. I was shocked when I moved here and saw they still had it.
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