Replacing the broken bearings in my pm1440gs headstock

I don t think or want everyone to go off on a tangent here. Schematics, drawings pictures and the likes are sent in the manner and shouldn t be taken this way. It s just been frustrationg for Richl from the get go and sure for P.M. as well!
He s got a real nice gearbox there with some nice bearings to boot. Richl I am sure you ll get there and when you do you ll be ahead of most as well with this all behind you!
 
Since richl is MIA and I've been following this thread because I intend to purchase a bigger lathe in the future I'm wondering if PM does any kind of burn-in tests. Not that a burn-in test would be 30hrs but is there any QC done state side before the machines are shipped and how does this differ from other resellers like grizzly etc?
Just curious if anyone or Matt wants to educate me on the process.
 
My local distributor, which sells that exact lathe, always unboxes and checks out the lathe before delivery. We pay more, but the lathe is confirmed good before they put it into our garage.

richl is not MIA. He will update when he has time to finish the install. (as I said a few posts above this)
 
There is no problem with our service or after service, ask anyone who actually has a machine from us. Sure maybe we miss something along the way from time to time, but if we are notified, we will certainly handle it.

Let RichL comment about the repair and how it went when and if he decides to, I really do not know what that other post is talking about. The other poster does not have a machine from us. A machine is not a lemon if it has a bearing go out almost 2 years after having it. Its funny because it was added long after things were settled, just waiting on a response from him. Trying to stir things up for an unknown reason.
Frustrating, yes, but its not like it happened 5 times in that 2 years. Things happen, they get repaired, they are machines. I bought a new Ram 3500 back in 2003. Fuel pump went out on my way home. Brand new. They replaced it and its still going strong. Rusted out, but still running well.


I am not sure what is meant by the text thing, I do not do that. Maybe email, it is so much easier to keep track and handle things by email.

Unrelated to any previous posts, but to explain why we prefer email if possible:

First I am not here at my desk 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Close, but not that much. And if I am, I am also working on many things like the new models that we have coming out soon in the small mill range. It can be very difficult when I am in the middle of thinking hard, steam coming off of my head, then I take a call. (Please do not ask about the new models now, but the details will be out as soon as I have them. 2 New bench top mills from Taiwan.) For this reason we have way more than just me who can see the emails. At least 5 people who can answer tech questions if needed. And Pictures are worth 1000 words as people say, and its true. So others also take care of many of the emails. I could not possibly handle it all. We all work together. And we have one guy here who is excellent, but he has a speech problem and can not talk on the phone. But he is an asset to us, and is very good at what he does. He works on many of your DRO's. I also have a few more tech people starting in the near future, but its going to take them time to know the machines like I do. So this gives them a little time to figure out the problem compared with someone calling and wanting and instant answer to something thats not common. We were growing very fast, and then the tariffs hit, so that put some of the hiring on hold for a bit. We are fine as a company, but that was a little scary, and there is a balance between instant support or good support, super expensive or reasonable. Heck I could have a dedicated support specialist for everyone available 24 hours a day, but then the cost would be 50% higher. Not going to work in this type of market. I could ask everyone on here if they would pay 10% or 20% more for a certain level of support and people would all say sure, but then when it comes time to buy, I will hear "XXX is cheaper", you need to beat it by 10%. I deal too, no problem there, but at a certain point, things cost money and its that simple. What is the saying, Cheap Fast or Good, pick 2.

Second, its so much easier to keep track of things by emails. We literally ship thousands of machines each year. While I do remember a lot, I can not possibly remember who I talked to about a loose screw 3 months ago. But if its in an email, I can read what was below and refresh on it first and have an answer that makes sense.

Last, I will talk to anyone when I am able, in fact, I prefer talking about machines over doing business end stuff. But when people start taking up 1 to 2 hours of my time with far off topic conversations about wild ideas, ex wives, the world, politics, whatever, I am sorry, I just do not have time for that. You would not believe some of the talkers we get. I am not talking about a little casual conversation, no problem there. But it gets wild, and I do not have time to do that plus take care of other customers. And other than hanging up, I just can not get them off the phone. I have to figure out how to handle that one, I still have not yet. And then you get the "you told me this", but in email, its all in writing. For these reasons, I had no choice but to start recording calls. I've even played them back for people and they tell me they did not say that. OK. Anyway sorry to get off topic, this is only like 1% or less of people, thankfully the other 99% are a pleasure to deal with. And I've learned, those are the people who we work to please. And do not take this meaning not to call. Feel free. Just please keep the conversations on topic or close to it.

As far as checking the machines, we do that and run each one before it leaves here. Not hours though, they are ran, checked out, but we are not talking a week long check out. Takes them only about 1 hour for these models. More on the higher end models that we have.

Sorry for the long reply, need to get back to work now.

I have not talked to RichL since, as stated above, I am sure he will comment when he has time. He has our contact info if he needs anything.
 
As far as checking the machines, we do that and run each one before it leaves here. Not hours though, they are ran, checked out, but we are not talking a week long check out. Takes them only about 1 hour for these models. More on the higher end models that we have.

Thanks for answering that part Matt, it's good to know there's a QC state side once the machines arrive!

My only limited experience with email communication was when I inquired about the differences/advantages between the G4003G vs. the QMT's Chinese 12x36, I wanted to hear from the horse's mouth (so to speak) why QMT's is a better buy. I literally got a 2 line response that didn't answer my question. I think it was more along the lines of 'do your own comparison/research but we have the Taiwanese model that's a better buy [which I knew already but it was not in the same price range]'. So that turned me off a bit at the time but I haven't written off QMT because a lot of people speak highly of the service. I just hope that's the case if I buy mine because I've seen as small companies get big the customer service starts to suffer.
 
Its tough to compare those 2 models, because they are very similar other than the bit of difference in features or accessories. And while I know which machines they offer, We like more to point out features instead of sound like we are bashing another. Realistically, if you compare our PM-1236 from China to that G4003G, they are very very similar other than the small details and ours comes with a lot more for the same or less money, but base machine, not much difference.

We try to push our higher end machines from Taiwan, because they are just that, better, and people are happier with them. Less mark up on them too, because there is less support needed after, and no extra 25% tariffs ( for a total of 30%) on the ones from Taiwan. Just the standard 5% or so coming in from Taiwan.

Post the reply you received or forward it so I can see, I am not sure what your email address is to search. I dont want to hijack this thread though about the repair. Maybe start a new thread and post the reply and Ill try to watch and comment so we do not get off topic.
 
OK thanks
Its tough to compare those 2 models, because they are very similar other than the bit of difference in features or accessories. And while I know which machines they offer, We like more to point out features instead of sound like we are bashing another. Realistically, if you compare our PM-1236 from China to that G4003G, they are very very similar other than the small details and ours comes with a lot more for the same or less money, but base machine, not much difference.

We try to push our higher end machines from Taiwan, because they are just that, better, and people are happier with them. Less mark up on them too, because there is less support needed after, and no extra 25% tariffs ( for a total of 30%) on the ones from Taiwan. Just the standard 5% or so coming in from Taiwan.

Post the reply you received or forward it so I can see, I am not sure what your email address is to search. I dont want to hijack this thread though about the repair. Maybe start a new thread and post the reply and Ill try to watch and comment so we do not get off topic.

Thanks again Matt...no worries. I won't hijack this either. I'll PM you (pun intended :)) when I get closer to buying one. I'm room-challenged at the moment.
 
Normally I try to not get involved in discussions of pitting one manufacturer against another, there are enough individuals in the forum and also posts to gather the information as to the the pluses and minuses of a vendor or particular machine. They are also built to a price point and in the current trade wars the margins become thin, and it is difficult times. If you are looking at the PM-1236 vs. G4003G I think the only fair comparison is that they are both 1236 lathes made in mainland China, beyond that they are different animals. A closer functional comparison would be the 1236GT and the G4003G, in respect to overall design and the gearbox. It has been stated in the past that all these lathes can turn precision work, and easily hit 0.001" tolerances. So it comes down to more what you want to spend, the quality level, and the general machine design. Feature wise there is not much difference. There are also a number of videos online that provide detailed reviews and comments. There are a number of PM-1236 owners in the forum that have done some phenomenal turning with their machines, the same holds true for the 1236GT and the G4003G.

I have dealt with a number of different machine vendors, and for the most part they do not have the time to discuss the details and often they tell you what they have/stock but try not to give you specific buying advice. In a few cases they will say their preference between items they do stock. First time buyers are also more difficult because people (myself included) do/did not have the experience to know what they needed/wanted. As one gains experience and also to some degree trial and error one can make better judgement calls on the machines and associated tooling that works for them. I would like to emphasize that there are a lot of manufactures/distributors that sell cheap machines that have limited tech./warranty support and parts. I often hear the stories after the matter of the fact. So at the end of the day, selection of the machine is 50% of the equation and what happens after the sale is the second 50%. You will also have isolated issues with machines no matter how good the QC, so an N=1 doesn't mean that all the machines are made the same way. I haven't heard of any other bearing issues with the 1440GS, and there are similar variants of the same model like the G0709 that have been around for a long time.
 
I hope you realize I pulled back a bit regarding that statement about text messages because of being on a forum and did not think it was right to make a blanket statement like that. It could have been meant for positive reasons like to send a schematic or whatever as I said. However this was meant and it was stated. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt here because of it on a forum.
However I was there from the beginning when richl first received his machine. Ok he is not a mechanic and struggled. New machine so shouldn t have to be a mechanic. Spent a good chunk of change and I know it was a battle for him. A new owner should never have to go through what he did in the beginning and now! He really wanted to send the machine back and was declined to. He has thirty hrs. On a machine after two years. He should have had way more time on his machine. His opening statement says quite a bit and its from the horses mouth not as you say someone from the outside.
There are other threads up regarding this same type of after care. What about the pm 833 t that blew its gears and what kind of help did he get? Nil and went elsewhere.
So I know more about richl and his gs than you may think. We were in conversations before he bought your machine and for you to say you have treated him decent. Well I am not that sure!
 
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