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I Weep For The Future....

Discussion in 'SAFETY ISSUES & EQUIPMENT' started by great white, Mar 18, 2015.

  1. Andre

    Andre Active User Active Member

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    We all mess up, as shown in that lathe video above. He might not be aware that centrifugal force acts against the jaws clamping pressure causing it to loosen. Hard to tell from the video, but it's probably spinning upwards of 1500 RPM with the jaws not reversed like they ideally should be.
     
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    TOOLMASTER you don't want to know Active Member

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    and away we go......

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    TOOLMASTER you don't want to know Active Member

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    GET YOUR THUMB OUT!!!! hitch a ride before it's too late.
     
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    Yup , no more warning labels , instructions in English would be nice on this new crap
     
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    The Liberal Arts Garage United States Active User H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Teach your children well.........and rest ( with confidence in their correct
    decisions ), to carry on what you spent so long learning from from them
    and their friends..........BLJHB.
     
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    strantor United States Active User Active Member

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    Hi, I'm 30; a Millennial I'm told. Probably one of the youngest people on this forum. I hope that doesn't render me unqualified to chime in.
    I sympathize and concur with most of your assessments of my generation and the next. But then I'm a bit old fashioned and "old minded" as I say,
    Otherwise, why would I be here on a forum full of "old guys" learning an "old guy" hobby?
    I listen to the stories that my dad tells (and that my grandpa told) and I feel like I belong in the world that they describe.

    But I can't afford to adopt your mindset; I can't afford to view the world through goggles of old codgery, since I'll have to live here in the thick of it for many more decades.
    Living another 50 years, pissed off by everything I see and hear around me? Looking at every man I see as an effeminate moron? Who wants to live in that?
    So I am forced (it is against my nature actually) to look for the good in things and in people, for my own sanity, present and future.
    I am forced to act on what I think is right, instead of just criticizing.

    I am raising 3 children in the "new & unimproved" America. I am raising them the way I think my grandparents would raise them .
    They get spankings, and they get them in public. Sue me.
    Yeah, sometimes I put a tablet or a TV in front of them too, so sue me for that too.
    I make sure they know when they've said something stupid, and when they've said something smart.
    I make sure they know that the participation trophies they get at school are not worthy of praise. And I make sure they know when they've actually worked hard, and actually earned a trophy, despite the fact everyone else go one too.
    I make sure they understand that they are children, not adults, and as such their opinions and desires will be heard but don't really factor into my decisions. And I make sure they know that as they get older things will change.
    I make sure they know that privilege comes with responsibility and vise versa.
    I teach them to defend themselves, and that a little bit of well timed/placed aggression goes a long way.
    I enforce a code of respect and obedience in my house that their friends do not understand. Their friends think I'm a crazy person.
    My kids are the most well behaved kids you will see these days. And when they grow up (at or before age 18 hopefully) they will have the world at their fingertips.
    They will not be burdened by any entitlement and they will not have the weight of all these "feelings" holding them back.
    They will know how to seize opportunity and how to compete in scarcity. They will be the few strong amid a sea of weakness; they will be leaders, producers.

    This is me doing my part to steer us (the nation) back toward a logical path.
    And you know what? It might just be me seeing what I want to see, but I could swear I see more and more other people my age doing some of the same things!
    That's right, I think I might be witnessing the slow birth of a new wave of old ideas.
    So don't give up on us just yet. I think WE (the millennials), or at least enough among us, are waking up to the fact that the course we're on is ...(drumroll for the buzzword)... unsustainable.
    Enough among us have realize that complaining and begging only get one so far.
    Enough among us have realized that the world is rife with opportunity, up for grabs to anyone with the brain and/or brawn to go out there and make things happen.

    To close out this little diatribe, I'd just like to point out that a lot of the gripes that have been aired thus far are not new gripes:

    On common sense being no longer common:
    Common sense is not so common. -Voltaire (1694-1778)

    On phones and tablets in everyone's faces:

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    On millenials being lazy:
    "Opportunity is missed by most people because it is dressed in overalls and looks like work." -Thomas Edison
     
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    /\/\/\/\ Well said!
     
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    Being 33 myself, I am 100% in agreeance with everything you wrote!

    The wife didn't understand at first why the shop was built bigger than the house, and why the veggie garden is bigger than the shop. The shop gets filled with the tools to make things, while using your thinker about HOW to do it. I don't want my kids growing up to be dummies. It matters not if they go on to be a doctor or teacher, or flip burgers or pump gas. They'll know how to take care of themselves without being at the mercy of everyone else, and will know how and why stuff works. Knowledge gives confidence, and confidence will get you a lot of places in life.
     
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    TOOLMASTER you don't want to know Active Member

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    this guy makes arsonists look bad

     
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    "Old minded?"
    "Old guys?"
    "Old codgery?"
    Lions, and tigers and bears, Oh, my... welcome to the geritol forum!
     
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    strantor United States Active User Active Member

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    I hope you didn't take offense to my adjectives. I just call it like I see it, no disrespect intended.
    I'm not the most social person. I have in the past described myself as "socially retarded."
    I would not put it past myself to inadvertently say something across-the-line insensitive.
    If I did, I apologize.
     
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    No offense taken by me, and I am one of the ol' codgers !

    Ted
     
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    :+1: Me too!
     
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    Same here, No Offence, and no disrespect taken or given, just having fun... However, for the light of the forum... do you know what Geritol is?
     
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    4gsr Global Moderator Staff Member H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Yeah!!! Wish you could still get it. I could use some. The Viagra in its day...
     
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    Tony Wells United States Vice President Staff Member Administrator

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    heh.....when I was a kid, I musta had something serious wrong with me. My doc told my mom to get me some and take it every day. I think I was iron deficient or something. So, I became a machinist ;)
     
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    Don't need no Geritol. Chew on nails, spit out tacks.
     
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    4gsr Global Moderator Staff Member H-M Supporter-Premium

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    Did that at early age. Lead poison made me absent minded entering my senior years!
     
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    CraigB1960 United States New Member Liaison Staff Member H-M Supporter-Premium

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    When I was in my 20's and 30's, I had not yet been fully exposed to the folly of human nature...certainly time changed that. Given enough time and exposure, I suspect you will too. As far as being pissed off by everything..well, the only thing that truly pisses me off is when I see someone jeopardizing their safety or the safety of others.

    I've been an electrical engineer (PE) most of my life, unfortunately I've seen multiple deaths due to bad practices and lack of respect or understanding of the danger by the folks performing a job. I also (over time) became the responsible engineer for projects that could cause death and injury to the public if something went wrong....so I tended to be a little paranoid over the capacity of the human race to do stupid things. All it takes is one person or one accident to completely ruin a career. I could not afford to adopt any other mindset.
     
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    strantor United States Active User Active Member

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    I've certainly heard the name a few times before, mostly used in jokes as you used it.
    Before you asked, I associated it with old people but didn't know really what it was.
    Googled it just now, just vitamins?
     
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    strantor United States Active User Active Member

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    I'm nowhere near as credentialed or experienced as yourself but I understand where you are coming from.
    I'm a non-PE, non-degreed Controls Engineer; not sure if you would recognize someone without a degree as a "real" Engineer, but I do design machine control systems for a living.
    I am well initiated in idiot-proofing. It is a real challenge to design something that a moron can't use to hurt or kill himself with, but is still usable and diverse.
    Fortunately I have not seen anyone seriously hurt or killed.
     
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    The way things are going in this country were losing as a producing nation. We only have college idiots who lose all common sense after graduation . I don't see very many small businesses that make it very long. Not everything can be done by a computer , at least not yet. I too raised my daughter's right we taught them the things our parents taught us. We took them to church and they learned respect for God and his laws for living , we tried to give the best of family values along with respect for elders and others. Teachers in the schools have there hands tied in some of what's aloud. I taught them very early about guns and SAFTEY , my oldest daughter even went hunting with me in our deer clubs drives. Plus she shot TRAP till school took all her time. Now she's a mental health therapist , graduated magna kumloady , ( spelling don't count ) . They all went to some college and made master degree. So Strantor your doing great , raise your children to do right and they will follow your path.
     
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    Titles are for the law...I always recognized folks that had knowledge over folks that simply had paper.
     
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    I've known a few PE license mechanical engineers that were my bosses over the years. And many times I've had to bail them out and fix their screwups are countless! I do respect those that had great wisdom and I have learned from. I kick myself for not getting my sheep skin when I had the chance to when I was much younger. Can't complain, I've done great in the things I do best and I continue to do so when I can.
     
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    When the feces hits the rotational-air- displacement device, we won't need football players, actors, and lawyers. We will need farmers, labourers, and machinists!

    Sent from somwhere in east Texas by Jake!
     
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    I don't know about how this works in other states, but one company (machine shop) I worked for decided to try and develop our own line of oil tools. We hired, and eventually made him vp and then part owner, a vp of mfg from SII. He held a BSME. SO someone decided we chould change our company name to XXX Engineering, Inc. In Texas, you can't use the term "Engineering" in your company name unless you have a P.E. on board. It took a couple of years, but we got a nastygram from the Texas Secretary of State informing us we had 90 days to change it to exclude that term or any reference to engineering. I read the letter and at first thought it was some scam to get us to pay a fee or something, but a couple of phone calls later, found out that it was legit. We changed it back to what it was. Never did get that product line we wanted. I think the timing was off anyway, oilfield is too up and down. Funny thing, I am developing a coil tubing tool now, but I don't use "that word" in my company name...lol!

    Sometime I regret not going on to get my paper too, but I have been in the thick of it without it, and surrounded by educated idiots. Those times I'm glad I didn't get it. No fingers pointed at me! I believe it's that last required class that does it for most of them....the one where they take all your common sense away. THEN you get your paper.
     
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    That is how it is in all the states that I know of and was the only reason I went and took the PE exam. In fact, a person cannot legally call himself an engineer (for hire) without having the PE for that state. Since I'm retired, I have not bothered keeping mine up....my stamp is a good paper weight now.
     
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    Yesterday I couldnt even spel the word ingineer, now I are wun.
     
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    Craig, I may be wrong, but I think that applies mostly to certain specific fields like structural or civic projects where the finished project is a "public work", or a building of some sort. This is one area that separates P.E.s from Engineers. I found this interesting. It shows that there may be changes coming that will increase the ranks of P.E.s. It's getting to be a little bit of a gray area. The broadest interpretation seems to be what is most often used, I suppose because it is the safest. It doesn't make sense to me to require every possible engineering field to meet the stringent requirements of being a licensed P.E., but they didn't ask me. :)

    From
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    • Only a licensed engineer may prepare, sign and seal, and submit engineering plans and drawings to a public authority for approval, or seal engineering work for public and private clients.
    • PEs shoulder the responsibility for not only their work, but also for the lives affected by that work and must hold themselves to high ethical standards of practice.
    • Licensure for a consulting engineer or a private practitioner is not something that is merely desirable; it is a legal requirement for those who are in responsible charge of work, be they principals or employees.
    • Licensure for engineers in government has become increasingly significant. In many federal, state, and municipal agencies, certain governmental engineering positions, particularly those considered higher level and responsible positions, must be filled by licensed professional engineers.
    • Many states require that individuals teaching engineering must also be licensed. Exemptions to state laws are under attack, and in the future, those in education, as well as industry and government, may need to be licensed to practice. Also, licensure helps educators prepare students for their future in engineering.
     
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    Tony,
    We did mostly electrical engineering that might have buildings that required civil engineering as well. The bullet points you supplied are basically what I remember in the 2000 to 2010 timeframe that I was actively involved in engineering services.

    Just about every project we bid required PE oversight with sign and seal requirements. We employed multiple disciplines to handle mechanical, civil, and electrical PE requirements. We also had, like myself supervision with PE's. Many of our PE's had multiple state licenses to be compliant with State law.
     

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