What Did You Buy Today?

It helps to know the value. I think some is sellers not knowing, and assuming it must be worth more, and some is sellers hoping buyers don't know. Of course auctions add in bidding frenzy.

I've noticed a couple of mini-lathes on CL recently ranging from barely discounted to more than new. One in particular was a nameless 7x14, seller was asking $500, you can find dozens of the exact same nameless lathe on ebay for $476 with free shipping.

Of particular concern buying used Mitutoyo is the fakes, not so bad if you buy a cheap new one that is a fake (many are apparently still pretty good, and as long as you didn't pay a new real price I guess not a bad deal), but I would worry about getting a used fake and paying a used real price (I'm sure there are people buying fakes, then selling them as used real). When certified dealers have 6" Mitutoyo calipers on sale for $111, and ebay is full of "new" ones for $49 it is not hard to imagine people are buying these, adding a little wear and then selling "lightly used" for $82.

MSI Viking 6" Mitutoyo caliper

Ebay $49 "new" Mitutoyo 6" Caliper

Ebay $82 "used" Mitutoyo 6" caliper

Not singling out these ebay sellers as fraudulent, that used one might be completely legitimate. There are a bunch of $49 ones though. MSI Viking is an official Mitutoyo retailer, so hopefully can be trusted to be selling "real" Mitutoyo. BTW they do sell used and refurb equipment through an ebay store as well.

Full disclosure I bought a caliper from MSI Viking, when I started to learn how wide spread counterfeit Mitutoyo was, yeah it was more than ebay or Amazon, but at least I know I'm getting what I'm paying for and calipers are relatively cheap.

Yep on another forum a guy was trying to sell his mitutoyos calipers and didn’t realize they were fakes he had owned them for a while and bought them from a reputable seller (I thinks travers but don’t quote me) and turns out they were fakes. Even the real dealer sell fakes sometimes not knowing.
 
Yep on another forum a guy was trying to sell his mitutoyos calipers and didn’t realize they were fakes he had owned them for a while and bought them from a reputable seller (I thinks travers but don’t quote me) and turns out they were fakes. Even the real dealer sell fakes sometimes not knowing.

WTH. How can the dealers get scammed like that. I was am looking at McMaster now. MSI pricing is a little better though. Are Starretts cloned as much as Mitutoyos?
 
WTH. How can the dealers get scammed like that. I was am looking at McMaster now. MSI pricing is a little better though. Are Starretts cloned as much as Mitutoyos?

It happens. I buy my mitutoyos from Amazon. Last 6” calipers I got I paid $99 to my door. As long as you purchase an item that is sold and shipped by Amazon it’s likely to be real. If it’s through a 3rd party all bets are off.
 
I've had this vision of building a box and pan brake. Maybe when I retire.
Meanwhile, I bought this.
It was on sale for $229. Now I can make those custom size tool drawer organizers and finish my getto Accufinish carbide grinder etc.
Love it!
 
A baby brake!
Yeah,
I changed the order. For $70 more, I can have the 24" mid size brake.
Much more versatile.

Canceled---Canceled

Ordered >>>>>>

I like to see the ISO9001 on the 24" also.
 
Yeah,
I changed the order. For $70 more, I can have the 24" mid size brake.
Much more versatile.

Canceled---Canceled

Ordered >>>>>>

I like to see the ISO9001 on the 24" also.
I'm interested to hear what you think of the brake. I've been eyeing a similar machine for a while.
 
WTH. How can the dealers get scammed like that. I was am looking at McMaster now. MSI pricing is a little better though. Are Starretts cloned as much as Mitutoyos?

I've only seen Mitutoyo specifically mentioned. I think one of the draws to Mitutoyo is their digital tools have a well respected worldwide name. The older US, Swiss etc companies are not really known for the quality of their digital tools (although I am sure they are decent quality, it isn't their main market). It is also probably easier to make cheaper copies of electronic tools, than mechanical / analog tools which would have to be pretty good to get past inspection.

The funny part to me is the "cheap" Mitutoyo copies are apparently still pretty good and probably well worth their lower price. Like if the counterfeiters were up front about it they might still sell well to budget minded people under their own name. I'm guessing that since they are such close copies there are legal issues to being honest about it. Other than the issue of supporting criminals, the "too good to be true" ones might be worth buying intentionally, note that this applies to the true counterfeits, not the often very cheap and easily recognized Mitsuloyo, Mitetoyo etc.

I kind of doubt the bought it from an official dealer, the dealer should be getting them direct which would make getting a load of fakes pretty hard to do. There is always the corrupt employee possibility, steal some real ones and swap for fakes. More likely it wouldn't surprise me at all if there are some "close" names on ebay and Amazon made to make people think they were more reputable sellers.
Some of the counterfeits are good enough to fool most people, you basically have to know what you are looking for, so I'm sure a lot of people pass off their fake as real 100% oblivious that it isn't real.



Still sometimes Amazon has some amazingly good deals direct from the manufacturer, you you can't assume all "too good to be true" prices are fake. I got a 2" Wilton Milling vise new from Amazon for less than 1/2 the normal price, and it came from Wilton. I got to the Amazon listing through Wilton's website, Amazon showed Wilton as the seller, and the paperwork I got with it showed it shipped from Wilton. Why it was marked down so cheap, I have no idea, and the price went back to the normal price after I bought it.
 
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It happens. I buy my mitutoyos from Amazon. Last 6” calipers I got I paid $99 to my door. As long as you purchase an item that is sold and shipped by Amazon it’s likely to be real. If it’s through a 3rd party all bets are off.
I question the cheap Ebay "name brand" items.
 
Yeah,
I changed the order. For $70 more, I can have the 24" mid size brake.
Much more versatile.

Canceled---Canceled

Ordered >>>>>>

I like to see the ISO9001 on the 24" also.

I've been contemplating a 12" brake or 3 in1 machine for some time. Would love something bigger, but space is the issue. Quality of the small ones is also a concern. The 24 and 36" can generally handle thicker material as well as the obvious greater length which then leads me to wonder where I might find an extra couple of feet of room... ;)

I'll be looking for your opinion of the 24" might help me make a leap or not.
 
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