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I came to this forum because it's friendly. No need to be sarcastic (like brand X forum) about misspelled words, please remember we are trying to help people and not waste each others time arguing about a word. No need to be a spelling policeman here. Let's just help with advice and not worry about spelling.
Merry Christmas
Merry Christmas
In the US, for the most part, "vice" carries a negative connotation. It's understandable that one who speaks American English to feel that the usage should be pointed out, but we should make allowance for those in this international community who speak a little different version of English. Even so, on both sides of this situation, our sensitivities should not be so edgy that we offend or take offense over something like this. On another forum I frequent, there are a couple of guys who seem to get their jollies from other people's spelling mistakes. No one really likes that. I make my share, usually for lack of proofreading, and fat-fingering the laptop keyboard. I don't like it, but I usually won't go back and edit it unless it distorts the meaning of a statement I made.
In any case, I know George intended no insult, but only corrected according to his knowledge in order to help someone see the preferred spelling. I know that some parts of the English speaking world use either spelling of vise and vice, but generally, vise is preferred according to most dictionaries. And I think most of us know enough about George to know he is not one to nit-pick just for the sake of showing his superiority. Calling his correction petty is a little strong. Jumping on someone for calling him petty is just about equally out of line. I thought we were all beyond that here.
Let's just drop it here, and get on with repairing the problem with the work holding device.
In any case, I know George intended no insult, but only corrected according to his knowledge in order to help someone see the preferred spelling. I know that some parts of the English speaking world use either spelling of vise and vice, but generally, vise is preferred according to most dictionaries. And I think most of us know enough about George to know he is not one to nit-pick just for the sake of showing his superiority. Calling his correction petty is a little strong. Jumping on someone for calling him petty is just about equally out of line. I thought we were all beyond that here.
Let's just drop it here, and get on with repairing the problem with the work holding device.
Unfortunately, a category like that won't work.
Those who have a sufficient command of the language know they won't have need of it.
Those who are unsure but care enough to get it right will proof-read their posts before sending, and/or use a spell checker.
And as nobody deliberately misspells, mis-punctuates, or mis-capitalizes, those who do so are by definition unaware that they might need the information contained in such a category, and so would never go there.
Finally, while errors of the kind mentioned above cause me to silently roll my eyes and inwardly despair at the continuing decline in standards of literacy, it only really ever bothers me to the point of irritation when my blood sugar gets low.
Let's not forget this is a Machinists and not a Literary Correctness forum, and that the information contained in a post is more important than the manner in which it's presented.
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Heaven help me, but I'm posting in this thread. I think we are missing the spirit of this place. Please hear me out.
I have a graduate degree. I have written articles in my profession. I'm a contributing author of a couple of books for lawyers. I can spell pretty well, though I do rely on spellcheck quite a bit. Then I come to machinist sites, and I'm the dummy. I'm pathetic, I can't do anything. I'm totally useless. So what if a machinist or hobby-machinist uses a word out of context (vice instead of vise). We all know what he means. Help him, please. Machinists speak with their hands, doing the extraordinary and often amazing and beautiful work they do. They don't need to be the most skilled in grammar and word-usage. Some are, some aren't. We have to accept and appreciate everyone for what they can teach us here, rather than pointing out faults.
Not everyone wants to hear criticism of their shortcomings. Not everyone wants or likes to be corrected. Some of us are ok with it, some of us get offended.
I am going to share some criticism I received from someone who I turned down for membership on here some time ago. These are real comments that I took from his email, unchanged:
Jim redid YOUR drill press - Because you're the talentless, "all thumbz" -zero-, who's not making chips. That drill press is still down, isnt it?
He's right. I'm a talentless, "Allthumbz", total zero in machining who isn't making chips. I have no right to even own machines, much less own a machinist forum. It's painful to see my posts on most of the forums I still frequent, because my questions are so stupid, and my answers when I have any are so far off the mark that it's ridiculous.
That's why I have nothing but respect for you guys who can do this work and run these machines. It doesn't matter to me whether you can spell or use proper grammar. You guys can do stuff I frankly can't even dream of doing, or ever hope of doing. I wish I could learn from you guys, even as hopeless as I am. I wouldn't ever think of criticizing the way you write something, because I probably could never do what you do.
So please fellas, let's remember why we're here- we're here to talk about and do machinist stuff. I'm just here to read and maybe learn and stay out of your way. How you say it isn't anywhere near as important as the fact that you are writing about what you know. Please, let's not criticize, none of us is perfect, least of all me. God bless and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
I have a graduate degree. I have written articles in my profession. I'm a contributing author of a couple of books for lawyers. I can spell pretty well, though I do rely on spellcheck quite a bit. Then I come to machinist sites, and I'm the dummy. I'm pathetic, I can't do anything. I'm totally useless. So what if a machinist or hobby-machinist uses a word out of context (vice instead of vise). We all know what he means. Help him, please. Machinists speak with their hands, doing the extraordinary and often amazing and beautiful work they do. They don't need to be the most skilled in grammar and word-usage. Some are, some aren't. We have to accept and appreciate everyone for what they can teach us here, rather than pointing out faults.
Not everyone wants to hear criticism of their shortcomings. Not everyone wants or likes to be corrected. Some of us are ok with it, some of us get offended.
I am going to share some criticism I received from someone who I turned down for membership on here some time ago. These are real comments that I took from his email, unchanged:
Jim redid YOUR drill press - Because you're the talentless, "all thumbz" -zero-, who's not making chips. That drill press is still down, isnt it?
That's why I have nothing but respect for you guys who can do this work and run these machines. It doesn't matter to me whether you can spell or use proper grammar. You guys can do stuff I frankly can't even dream of doing, or ever hope of doing. I wish I could learn from you guys, even as hopeless as I am. I wouldn't ever think of criticizing the way you write something, because I probably could never do what you do.
So please fellas, let's remember why we're here- we're here to talk about and do machinist stuff. I'm just here to read and maybe learn and stay out of your way. How you say it isn't anywhere near as important as the fact that you are writing about what you know. Please, let's not criticize, none of us is perfect, least of all me. God bless and have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
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Sorry to all offended. I have been educated,also,but have young,very sharp(smart) friends who sometimes correct me. I don't mind it because it keeps me from embarrassing myself by going about and repeating the same mistake in front of others. At least,that's how I feel about it. They know I am the superior craftsman,and I am not disrespected by them by the correction. I called Germanium Geranium a while back and was corrected. I was also mis pronouncing neodymium as neoidium. No biggie to me. Now I know better. Guess I'm not that insecure.
I sometimes am invited to a party full of Jefferson Accelerator scientists,and definitely want to not make those mistakes in that company.
I sometimes am invited to a party full of Jefferson Accelerator scientists,and definitely want to not make those mistakes in that company.
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As an Englishman, may I ask the pedants involved to simply get a life ?
Merry Christmas to all !
I have a very satisfactory life,thank you.
If your vise jaw is a bit hollow,I think you will find it takes a lot of elbow grease to remove even a few thou from the surface. Suggest you get it surface ground. Lapping does not insure that you will not make the jaw slightly out of parallel,or a bit convex,depending upon how you proceed to lap it. It might just be better to take a hunk of tool steel and make a new jaw,though it won't be hardened. Tool steel is generally fairly decent in wear resistance in an application like this.
Could you possibly turn the jaw over and counterbore the opposite sides of the bolt holes with a carbide end mill? Put a piece of shim stock behind the slightly hollow jaw,to keep it from compressing (if a thick jaw WILL compress under normal tightening).
Or,you could just use a tongue depresser in your concave vise jaw . The wood will compress to fit. A couple of slips of brown paper bag(has no slippery clay in it),is considerably thicker than the concavity of your vise jaw. It will compress,too. Paper holds absolutely like crazy. I keep a stack of pre cut paper beside my mill for use if I think a part(especially brass) will slip. I have access to clay free,acid free paper,so I use that. Any paper that is not glossy will work just fine.
If your vise jaw is a bit hollow,I think you will find it takes a lot of elbow grease to remove even a few thou from the surface. Suggest you get it surface ground. Lapping does not insure that you will not make the jaw slightly out of parallel,or a bit convex,depending upon how you proceed to lap it. It might just be better to take a hunk of tool steel and make a new jaw,though it won't be hardened. Tool steel is generally fairly decent in wear resistance in an application like this.
Could you possibly turn the jaw over and counterbore the opposite sides of the bolt holes with a carbide end mill? Put a piece of shim stock behind the slightly hollow jaw,to keep it from compressing (if a thick jaw WILL compress under normal tightening).
Or,you could just use a tongue depresser in your concave vise jaw . The wood will compress to fit. A couple of slips of brown paper bag(has no slippery clay in it),is considerably thicker than the concavity of your vise jaw. It will compress,too. Paper holds absolutely like crazy. I keep a stack of pre cut paper beside my mill for use if I think a part(especially brass) will slip. I have access to clay free,acid free paper,so I use that. Any paper that is not glossy will work just fine.
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Years ago I took delivery of a brand new Triumph TR6 which I ordered from Great Britain through Reedman in Langhorne PA. The owners manual explained everything, just as it should. The terms were a bit off, such as "raising the bonnet to check the engine oil" and using petrol of the correct grade. The book was correct in every aspect, it was me who had to learn new terms. Didn't hurt one bit either.