Tap Size Question?

Wow - team, what a response. Really great information here, and I sincerely appreciate the depth of knowledge and the humor! Let me ask this - should I not be afraid of single point threading? As soon as I saw a die holder project I was thinking to myself "that look a lot less dangerous, plus I don't have to change all the gears after trying to interpret the incoherent table printed on my small import 7x14 lathe." I have seen the upside-down threading that goes toward the tailstock and that looks interesting, too.
My opinion is taps and dies for small stuff, single point for threads over 1/2" or 3/4" or so. Regardless of what you like, you should learn to single point. It gets you out of a bind when you don't have the right tap or die.
 
I have nothing but the utmost respect for anybody who's able to single-point a tiny thread. What might be an insignificant error, say 0.005" in tool height, on a 1/4" thread would probably be a disaster when attempting a #2. Everything has to be proportionately more accurate/precise as you go down in size ... including the sharpness of the cutting tool. I know it can be done, and is done ... but it's way beyond anything I've ever tried.
 
Hi folks - total newbie - forgive me. With standard / imperial system, anyone know why small taps don't use fractional measurements (e.g. 10-32, 8-32, etc.), and then at 1/4-20, it switches to fractional, which is much more logical to me? I am setting up my shop and organizing taps, dies, drills, reamers, etc. and it's a bit of a mystery to me. Thanks, looking forward to engaging in this awesome hobby!
Welcome aboard, Sir. It takes a newbie to upset the apple cart on occasion so this subject can be come to the front. Machine screws are sized with an arbitrary formula. I have a few suspicions about where that formula came from, but no real facts. I suspect way back in the dark ages of machine tooling, an attempt was made to match the metric system for fasteners. Machine screw sizes below 1/4 inch get into 1/32s, 1/64s, and even 1/128s. Quite frankly, most folks don't have a good grasp of fractions and really don't have time to fool with them. Just how big would a screw be that was 3/128 inch?

Start with a screw size of 0.060 inch. That's almost but not quite 1/16, .0625. Since only people that are OCD worry about the fourth decimal place, call it .062. So, .060 is a size 0. Now, add (or subtract) the odd size of .013 for each number. So that .060 plus .013=.073, size 1. .060+(2x.013)=.086, a size 2. Do this up to Nr 14, .060+(14x.013)=.242. With 1/4 being .250, it now is large enough to transition. The same system works down as well. 0.060-.013=.047, which is a size 00 or 2/0, .060-(2x..013)=.034, size 000, or 3/0. It goes further, my supplier has taps down to 5/0. I suppose for use by opticians and clock makers. 3/0 is the smallest I personally use.

Now thread pitches, actually TPI, run in lots of 8. If you track through the system, TPIs will step by 8 TPI. As it happens, in the 1/4 inch arena, several screws fall into place. Starting with 1/4-20 at .250, then Nr 14-24 at .242. And finally M6 at .238 by 25.4 TPI. There are other numbers that fall very close, 3/16, Nr 10, and M5 another common point. Nr 10 Vs 3/16 is so close they are interchangable, with M5 fitting tightly, but fitting.

Screws do go fractional down to 1/16 inch. I have taps and dies for 1/16, 3/32, and 1/8. Mostly as curiosities, they aren't really useful. Since I retired, I work with models at 1:87 scale. Early in my career, ca. 1970s, I worked with instrumentation for process control, where small and odd sized fasteners were common. When silicon semiconductors became more common, mechanical solutions quite simply got too expensive. What one man could build in a day, ten thousand silicon devices came off the press in a couple of hours. I made the transition from electro-mechanical to solid state because of the connection between my hobby and my profession.

The fastener sizes, both "machine screw" and fractional, are listed in Machinery's Handbook. But the background information is only good for historical purposes and is heavy reading. Add in metric sizes, and the confusing becomes unintelligable.
 
should I not be afraid of single point threading?
Yes you should not be afraid of it. When using a lathe you need to be alert not afraid.
We have to be cautious with ANY type of operation on a lathe because its when we least expect it that $... happens.
That you are cautious and perceptive of potential mishaps is good. Managing those concerns and succeeding at the single point cutting of threads will give you a wonderful feeling. And help you understand why we are in this hobby.
One day soon you will give it a go. Its like shifting out of first gear when you learn to drive.
 
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