Surface Finish on HRS

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Robert
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I have some free hot rolled steel that I would like to use. I have never gotten a good finish on HRS and this piece is no exception. I have tired carbide and HSS for tooling. Would annealing this steel or other heat treatment have any benefit? Why does CRS finish better?
 
I have some free hot rolled steel that I would like to use. I have never gotten a good finish on HRS and this piece is no exception. I have tired carbide and HSS for tooling. Would annealing this steel or other heat treatment have any benefit? Why does CRS finish better?
The problem is that its already annealed, except in the spots where it is hard. These areas could be small or large so coming up with a uniform finish at any level is difficult.

Hot roll is basically all the junk thrown into the ladle with the minimum of correction used to bring it to a minimum standard. Cheap in/Cheap out, so it might have a bare minimum of carbon or higher carbon content in spots.

Cold rolled is Heald to a tighter standard and has a uniform carbon content.
 
Hot roll is basically all the junk thrown into the ladle with the minimum of correction used to bring it to a minimum standard. Cheap in/Cheap out, so it might have a bare minimum of carbon or higher carbon content in spots.

Is that just an American thing ? the uk structural steel is all fairly well controlled.

Stu

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Feeds and speeds are crucial for turning hot rolled low carbon steel. I find that fairly low surface ace speed and a significant depth of cut with a moderate feed rate give a very nice finish on my big monarch. On A36 it’s something like 70-100 sfpm a 150 thou radial depth of cut and 6 thou feed per rev. Dry with a CCMT insert. Finish is clean no tearing. On my smaller 10EE which is still quite rigid I get best results with high positive tooling like a vcgt insert. Similar speeds. Much smaller depth, maybe only 20 thou and a slower feed 2-4 thou. For small lathes that struggle with power and rigidity, grind up a HSS shear tool. These work wonders finishing HR with a 1-2 thou depth of cur and a tiny feed rate. I have a couple and also a huge one I finish soft steel with on the 24”Cincinnati shaper. For milling, high quality dead sharp end mills, again you’ll need to find that feed speed combo that does it. I just got a Haas 3” high positive face mill that does a very nice job. For those guys running high speed modern machines with flood coolant this advice is likely all wrong.

Keep trying, finishes won’t likely ever be as nice as 4140HT but a little scotchbrite does wonders.
 
Is that just an American thing ? the uk structural steel is all fairly well controlled.

Stu

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I think part of the problem is that, at least here (U.S.) there are myriad junk steels sold simply as "HRS" or "Welding steel". You *can* get ASTM spec steel in hot rolled condition, and it is a huge step above the aforementioned junk, which I consider "rebar in differing shapes". If you buy steel at one of the big box stores (they all seem to have a "metals by the piece" rack filled with overpriced, under-spec'd, garbage). The latter is irredeemable, and you'd better be planning to sandblast, sand, or grind to either get a respectable finish, or hide the finish that would naturally occur.

GsT

GsT
 
Is that just an American thing ? the uk structural steel is all fairly well controlled.

Stu
As mentioned above, unless you buy from a known source and spec it out you get what's on top of the pile.

At work we had to stop dealing with one supplier as everything coming in was from china, and had razor sharp burrs, had a greasy black crap on it that would instantly give you rash and......Was total crap to try and work with.

Oh, and it stunk to high heaven, and every stick of that crap was tapered from one end to the other.
 
I second shear type tools or HSS with a super keen edge and a high back/side rake angles.
 
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