Ideal Collet size?

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I am wanting to get a set of collet blocks, square and hex and an assortment of collets. The different sizing of collets is a bit daunting. What is standard sizing? I have a Grizzly G0619 and am wondering what would best the best fit would be.
 
In my opinion, the most flexible option is an ER-40. Max size is 1" OD but you can grab anything from about 1/8" up to 1" and hold it solidly for milling. You can also go with 5C blocks but you will need to have an extensive collection of collets to hold everything you might encounter; the ER system is far more flexible and economical.
 
I have both the ER32 blocks , 5C blocks and 5C fixtures, here is why
the ER systems gives great flexibility for diameter, but does suffer when you use anything but round stock.
that's when the 5C system shines.
Square, Spline and Hex are readily available 5C collets, not so easy to get in the ER systems
2 of my grinding fixtures and both spindexers are 5C- i have no equivalent in ER system
 
Definitely 5C.

I mostly use R8 for toolholding on the mill and 5C for workholding on the lathe plus milling fixtures (dividing/indexig, collet blocks, etc). As the good doctor pointed out, there's just lots more options for 5C, both in what it can hold and what tooling uses it.

Bought an ER chuck for the mill but it's gathering dust - I have to use a wrench and the spindle brake whether I'm changing an ER collet or an R8, and of the two the R8 is less fiddly. I don't need a ladder to reach the drawbar though so that may be why I don't find it burdensome.
 
I use mainly 5C, a few 3S collets, and of course J8 for the Bridgeport. The 5C's are the go to ones, mainly because they can be used on several tools and machines. They fit both my 10" and 13" lathes as well as the spin indexer, and end mill sharpening fixture. This system does require a good supply of collets. My set of round collets goes from 1/64" thru 1 1/16" by 1/64ths. I also have a hand full each of square, hex, step and splines. You can also purchase "emergency collets" that aren't hardened and can be bored to any shape or size. Most sizes under an inch will have internal threads which allows the use of a stop for making multiple pieces the same length.

The downside is like most good tooling they can be expensive. If you go top of the line Hardinge they're over $40.00 per copy. If you buy lesser quality like Shars they can cost as little as $7.00 per copy. I got lucky and bought a nearly complete set of Hardinge from a used equipment dealer for around $5.00 per copy. I filled in most of the missing ones with Shars "High Precision" collets for a little less than $10.00 per copy. The Hardinge have a holding range of +/- .007" to .008". The ones from Shars have a holding range of +.000" to - .015". Hardinge used to advertise a runout of .0002" or less. This information doesn't appear in their current advertising. The Shars standard collets are advertised as having a runout of less than .0006", while the precision line has a runout of less than .0005"

This style collet can be purchased in a number of different profiles like smooth or serrated round, smooth or serrated square, hex, rectangular, spline, and step. They are also available in different materials like brass, and nylon as well as special sizes or profiles, and in letter and number sizes as well as metrics. I'm not aware of any other style collet that can be purchased in as many styles and profiles as the 5C's. That being said If money is a concern I would start with a set by 1/16". When buying by the set the The Shars (15 pc) "Precision" collets are a little less than $8.50 per copy, while the "Standard" (18pc) set is slightly over $7.00 per copy, and includes a collet rack.

As an FYI I'm not hung up on the Shars brand. I do have a number of their collets, and have been satisfied with their quality. There are however a number of vendors offering similar quality collets. I mainly use Shars because they're from the area, and have always provided the quality they have advertised. They don't always have all quality levels or sizes in stock. Some sizes they don't carry. The last 2 I purchased came from All Industrial Supply, and Meitong Industrial supply because Shars didn't have those sizes at the time I needed them. They seem to be as good as the Shars "precision" ones, but slightly more expensive.
 
I do like the ER system, especially for its versatility ... don't have to buy too many collets to cover the full range of workpiece diameters.
-BUT-
As the photos in @middle.road's post show, the nuts on the ER40 collet blocks are wider than the blocks themselves. That can sometimes be a problem. The 5C collets he shows above have very narrow tightening rings, so there's nothing protruding outside the flats.

I have both kinds of collet blocks.
 
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