How to charge for jobs?

If you do charge, give a written estimate that the customer signs before work is started. On that estimate I’d state terms including the verbiage “all claims to be settled by binding arbitration in the state of….”

I got that wording from another karting business owner when I was first starting up. What it does is tell the ambulance chaser lawyers that there will be no huge payout since the big money is awarded by juries.

Please note, I’m not giving legal advice, just sharing some of the things I learned along the way.

John
 
I have a side woodworking and machining business and John is correct about thinking about risks to your business. I am lucky to live in an area where the town doesn’t care if you run a business out of your house as long as customers don’t come on site and you don’t get many deliveries. My immediate neighbor gets almost daily UPS deliveries, so they certainly won’t complain about my occasional work related deliveries, especially since we get along very well. I analyze the risk of any products I make, or repairs, and if it’s going into something risky where someone could get hurt, I pass.

When I started, I created a spreadsheet of all my costs and factored in what I want to earn per hour. Without factoring in “renting” my workshop, that was $50/hr, so $60/hr for a hobby shop is not bad, but if you had any plans on getting larger, it would be best to have a market rate since it will be harder to raise rates later without losing customers. The one thing many start up companies never factor in is replacement cost of machines and tooling. Your costs should not be what you paid for your machines, rather what it will cost to replace them since you might not ever find that deal again.

One area where you might get bitten is accounting for shop supplies and tooling. It’s easy to forget what you spent over the course of a year, but it can add up. It’s tempting to claim the tools you buy as going to your hobby shop, but if you were not doing outside work, would you buy those tools? The nice part about tracking this on a spreadsheet is you can update them as you get more information. Starting with your best estimate is perfectly fine, but after a year, you may find some of your assumptions were not correct and you need to adjust rates. The best way to do that is to keep a good track of your expenditures.
Well stated. I totally agree.
 
If you do charge, give a written estimate that the customer signs before work is started. On that estimate I’d state terms including the verbiage “all claims to be settled by binding arbitration in the state of….”

I got that wording from another karting business owner when I was first starting up. What it does is tell the ambulance chaser lawyers that there will be no huge payout since the big money is awarded by juries.

Please note, I’m not giving legal advice, just sharing some of the things I learned along the way.

John
I'm simply going to pass on things that involve that much risk. I'm not remotely interested in that kind of work.
 
One other thing I want to add, never use mystery metal in any client jobs. If you do get sued, the worst thing you could say in court is you do not know what material you used, it will make you look incompetent. Get material with certs, and keep a copy of them with the project file. If the customer supplied a drawing, that goes in the file, email communications, etc. Simple things like that reduce the chances a lawsuit is successful in the rare case that occurs.
 
One other thing . Don't let the un-paid invoices build up . I got burned to the tune of 8K through a friend and ex-coworker . He was a sub contractor and little did I know he had entered bankrupsy . The court awarded me the money owed but I never saw it .
 
You have some good advice if you are starting a business. I also understand the concerns that no matter what level you are doing work you need to be protected.

From the sounds of it you are not seeking work or starting a business but doing some oddball 1 or 2 offs. Mostly people bring in their own parts. Having a minimum is ok or do it for free. You just want something for your time helping someone out. A tip can or jar might work. I've been amazed at what some people will pay when I tell them to decide.

I don't know if I can say it's a fine line between helping someone and being a business. Watch your back and good luck.
 
One other thing . Don't let the un-paid invoices build up . I got burned to the tune of 8K through a friend and ex-coworker . He was a sub contractor and little did I know he had entered bankrupsy . The court awarded me the money owed but I never saw it .

I think you completely missed the point if you think I might be invoicing Isaiah Yoder for drilling a hole in his shaft and tapping it for $20......


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One other thing I want to add, never use mystery metal in any client jobs. If you do get sued, the worst thing you could say in court is you do not know what material you used, it will make you look incompetent. Get material with certs, and keep a copy of them with the project file. If the customer supplied a drawing, that goes in the file, email communications, etc. Simple things like that reduce the chances a lawsuit is successful in the rare case that occurs.
Again....way more than I'm talking about doing. If I did need to make a specific part I would buy certified material but for the most part I'm just fixing stuff. I ordered 316 for the pump shaft that has been working great so far.
 
A minimum price depending on the customer is a good idea. Post it but let your frequent fliers know it may or may not apply to them depending on how often they drop off a jar of chow chow.


For regular pricing it’s important to keep in mind you may make good money on one job and lose your shorts on another.

You can check out my 18 month boat repair post in the other thread.

Factor in some fudge profit to compensate for the bad days.

No one wants to hear their $20 job now costs $100 because you broke a tap.
 
I think you completely missed the point if you think I might be invoicing Isaiah Yoder for drilling a hole in his shaft and tapping it for $20......
Just sayin ..................this is how I started out .Fixing/making things for neighbors , small shops etc . Charged a very small amount , sometimes nothing . It was beer money back in the day . Soon the word gets out . Machining for next to nothing . It turned an enjoyable hobby into a company and 16 hrs a day business . It was no longer fun , just another stressful job while working another full time job . Last straw for me was when I found out my neighbor was charging someone for work that I did and did for free . I closed the doors , moved the equipment up to the other house and started enjoying the machines once again .

Not saying you'll take this route , but you could . Keep it simple and enjoyable . :)
 
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