....one of the guys that trained me (Delbert Wacker) landed on a beach at Normandy, was on the whole push towards Berlin, ran a big Army "put together" maintenance lathe that ran off the engine of an Army truck....side by side he (we) worked with another guy that trained me (Bruno Weggemer) that was about 12 years younger than Del and was in the nazi youth corps at the same time (they all had to be when they were around 8 yrs old)...aaaand another guy that trained me (Ron Barton) was one of the 2 founders of Estes Model Rockets (He built the tooling and press (not unlike shotgun shell reloading) out of hopper scrap that made those 1st Estes Model Rocket engines (He sold his half to his partner Estes here in Colorado back in the 60's if I remember right (He was also a Paratrooper in the Asian Theater of WWII)....those 3 along with some other guys that trained me (including an Israeli (Leonard Karasik) from NY (Had had a hobby shop in Queens) made the tooling out of old scrap rounds and stuff that made the 1st of one of the worlds biggest industries (the extruded Aluminum Can (The Companys patent ran out, I think it was the late 70's or early 80's...I'll always remember those guys and have respect for the old timers (That is me now LOL) of these trades and I teach my kids to do the same...