A little advice needed on miter joints

tjb

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Hello, All.

I wonder if any experts out there could possibly give me some advice on how to improve on producing mitered joints in aluminum. Attached are some pix of a small tray that I made - mainly for practice on how to machine miter joints. Note: This project turned out far nicer than I anticipated for a 'practice' piece, but the finish is less than pristine. At this point, the plan is to either paint it or have it powder coated to cover up the machining marks.

Here's a picture of the finished product:
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It's a rather simple tray, but my challenge and purpose was figuring out how to make sturdy mitered joints that will not easily come apart. (The next project will likely be a little more substantive.) Before beginning the project, I decided that each joint would be stable if I had pins going into it from each face of the 90 degree angles. Because of the relatively small size, I ended up putting two on one face of the angle and one on the other. Here are some photos (note that the pins are off-center to allow for the bottom plate):
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Calling these 'pins' is a bit of misnomer. It occurred to me that the most secure hold would be to drill, tap, and use screws - then cut off the heads. So they look like pressed pins, but they're actually screws.
Now on to my question:
I proceeded as follows (In retrospect, it occurs to me I should have taken pictures. Sorry):
1. I cut the sides to length and then mitered with a 45 degree end mill, making sure that the opposite pairs were exactly the same length.
2. I independently joined a long- and short- pair together as follows:
a. I bolted a 90 degree angle plate to a 2-4-6 block,
b. mounted that in the chuck on my mill,
c. securely mounted each piece to the angle plate,
d. then drilled, tapped and screwed the pieces together.
3. I did this for both pairs of long- and short- sides, resulting in two 'L;shaped' pieces.
4. I then rough-assembled the two pairs I made (along with the bottom), and used a 1-2-3 block and clamps to tightly secure one of the unconnected joints. I set this up in my mill chuck, and drilled/tapped/screwed.
5. Changing the 1-2-3 block to the diagonal corner, I repeated step 4, resulting in all four sides being secure and square.
6. All holes were drilled and tapped to 3/4", and I used 1" 10-32 machine screws. Throughout the process, I cut off the heads of the screws and ground them flat with a bench sander.
7. Did some final sanding to prepare it for painting.

Here's the question: The final 90 joints are VERY secure, but the method was extremely tedious. I found that regardless of how well I clamped them, when the drill bit AND the tap transitioned from the horizontal piece to the vertical piece along the 45 degree joint, it wanted to 'walk'. With much effort, I got the job done, but I wonder: Is there a better way to make these kinds of joints? I suspect I'll need to do several more, and if anyone has a tip on set-up or proper jigs to use, I'd love to hear it.

Regards,
Terry
 
You might be better drilling a clearance hole in the top layer. The clearance hole will pull the parts together than trying to thread both parts.


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I hit the send button too soon. Maybe a nice flat head screw might not look too bad. Might make it look like a professional job. That way you wouldn't have to worry about the parts moving around while you are drilling and tapping.


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Wow, good on you for sticking with that and coming up with a pretty nice looking job!

In the woodworking world -- and your choice of joint here is really more a woodworking type of construction -- one of the ways around that full-mitre corner is one that is crossed with a rabbet joint. Best of both worlds in that it gives a mitred appearance to the corner (ie: no visible lap), but the rabbet faces allow for a 90-degree attack and purchase for pegs or dowel joint. Less likely to walk on the mitre face that way, plus if using a screw fastener as you are the screw pulls at a straight-on attack rather than obliquely which can have a tendancy to slide.


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If you are looking for a decorative and aesthetically pleasing corner joint, you might want to consider using a dovetail. Properly made, the dovetail will be self locking if a single pin from the bottom is used to lock the tails.
 
Would you consider welding the joints on the inside?
Robert
 
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I always use 18-8 Stainless Steel Hex Drive Flat Head Screws for that type parts.
https://www.mcmaster.com/#standard-flat-head-screws/=19o7tzi

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I hit the send button too soon. Maybe a nice flat head screw might not look too bad. Might make it look like a professional job. That way you wouldn't have to worry about the parts moving around while you are drilling and tapping.


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Yes, I thought about that approach, but my objective was to have flat sides. Obviously, a clearance hole would not allow that. I think your idea would work fine if weren't for that little detail.

Thanks for responding.

Regards
 
Wow, good on you for sticking with that and coming up with a pretty nice looking job!

In the woodworking world -- and your choice of joint here is really more a woodworking type of construction -- one of the ways around that full-mitre corner is one that is crossed with a rabbet joint. Best of both worlds in that it gives a mitred appearance to the corner (ie: no visible lap), but the rabbet faces allow for a 90-degree attack and purchase for pegs or dowel joint. Less likely to walk on the mitre face that way, plus if using a screw fastener as you are the screw pulls at a straight-on attack rather than obliquely which can have a tendancy to slide.


-frank

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Thanks, Frank.

In fact, my objective was to copy a woodworking miter onto aluminum. (The project I have planned will have exposed ends, so I want the miter to be visible.) I think your suggestion of a combination miter/rabbet joint is an improvement. And it should be aesthetically appealing as well. Thanks for the suggestion.

Regards,
Terry
 
If you are looking for a decorative and aesthetically pleasing corner joint, you might want to consider using a dovetail. Properly made, the dovetail will be self locking if a single pin from the bottom is used to lock the tails.
Thanks, RJ.

Never tried doing dovetails before, but I agree: they are a beautiful thing to behold. Any tutorials you can point me to?

Regards,
Terry
 
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