I found an 8"craftsman used at an auction, I got it cheap so what the heck I thought, give it a try. It is a surprisingly good grinder, comes up to speed fast, runs smooth, and it came on a pedestal, has lights over each wheel but they are burned out and kind of a pita. I may change the lights to something else. But I do like the grinder, I don't know if the new ones are as good but they may be worth looking at. I intend to pick up the slow speed rikon too.