What is easiest way to center material on 4 jaw independent chuck

here is the video i have saved on my pc
he makes it look easy and it works
steve


[video=youtube;2KMhx4DbyDg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KMhx4DbyDg[/video]

I have been jumping back and fourth from one jaw and then across to the other until I get it centered, then I do the other two jaws. I just tried the way the video shows and it only took me about 45 seconds to center my work the very first time. This is the way I will do it from now on. Great info for a newbie.
 
Yeah, what Bill Gruby said. It takes some practice. I use the 4-jaw at work for all the bigger stuff, and the picky jobs on the 12" monarch. Beat out 3-jaw chucks are a pain! Good ones are a treasure.

Just don't sweat trying to get perfect the first time you spin the work. Work the opposite jaws closer as you spin the part by hand. Get it to .010 Total Indicator Reading. Then get the other two jaws to .005 TIR. Then work it until you're "close enough". Don't forget to run the carriage out and check the far end, too.

Just trying to help,
Ed Hoc
 
Don't forget to run the carriage out and check the far end, too.

Just trying to help,
Ed Hoc

What is the best way to adjust the run out once the jaws are centered? This is an area I struggle at. Not trying to jack the thread, but this is also related to the OP's question. I usually use the tail stock and a center to hold the stock in the jaws centered and then remove the tail stock.
 
I have a problem with the two key method, I can never find one when I set it down now you want me to find two? :lmao::lmao: All kidding aside, there is no one magic way to do this. The biggest hold obstacle is you.

"Billy G" :))
 
When I gave lathe lessons to other craftsmen,I always included practice centering metal with the 4 jaw chuck.
 
...the best way to adjust the run out once the jaws are centered? ... I usually use the tail stock and a center to hold the stock in the jaws centered and then remove the tail stock.

Yes, tailstock will help. Best to check a little bit before the final "tenths" are tweaked at the chuck. When the part I'm chucked on is finished, I use Aluminum pads to avoid marking the workpiece. This will give a little cushion for fine adjustment at the far end with a soft touch Hammer:shush: .But don't get too enthusiastic with the BFH!

Sometimes, the part in the chuck isn't finished, and the axis doesn't run true to the tailstock end of the workpiece. Then you'll have to maybe chuck in a different spot or creatively use some shims as a last resort, to get the axis running better.

Ed Hoc
 
I made a second chuck key from some fancy wrought iron I took apart. One thing not mentioned in the video is that when you are adjusting the jaws you cannot make them too tight or else the jaws will clamp to the work piece and not adjust when making your second, third, and so on adjustment (if needed). This really is the trickiest part for me, anyway, but you pros probably don't even think twice about this as you have the right feel from lots of experience.

BTW, Ed mentioned running carriage out to check far end. Could you elaborate? I'm thinking you mean for a long work piece to measure along it? That would just tell you the workpiece is not straight if you get different readings at each end or else the workpiece is crooked due to some swarf in the chuck?

DaveV
 
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One way, but not the only way.

Most home hobbyist/machinist would probably not encounter a "large" work piece.
This info might still be of use.
There will be some "left outs", otherwise it will be really "lengthy".

At work and at home large heavy pieces "have to be gripped" tight enough not to fall out of the chuck and damage the lathe.

An example of which is as follows.

A 4 jaw chuck, 16" dia, the center would be 8".

Work piece is 8" dia x 36" long (heavy to say the least).

Pre-Setting the jaws.
Roll chuck so 2 jaws are horizontal (9 & 3 o'clock).
Lay an 18" hook rule on top of jaws.
Move the jaw at 9 o'clock to a little past 12-1/4".
Continue to roll chuck around till all 4 jaws are set at or about 12-1/4".
Use rule to check opening for 8" plus.

We use a common level to get the stock close to level when hoisted up.
Move piece into place between the jaws.
It's not uncommon that we will grip only about 3/4" to 1" in the jaws.
A lot of weight for just a small range of grip.
If the piece is to far up in the jaws, bumping the other end in, is difficult.

Our chuck wrench handles slide in and out, at this point the handle is removed.
By hand, engage each jaw (equally) to the piece. A quarter turn for one jaw, all a quarter.
Check level, adjust up or down.

Tighten 2 jaws, 9 & 12 o'clock, enough to keep piece from dropping or falling out.
Remember, a 4 jaw has a lot of holding force.

Loosen sling to allow piece to rotate, but STILL in Place, SAFETY.
Rotate, and make sure that all 4 jaws are snugged up good, and piece doesn't drop down.

Indicator at chuck, rotate, find high side, go to opposite side - loosen a "little".
Go back to opposite side and tighten.
DON'T loosen but one jaw at a time.
Continue rotating, find high side and adjust till zero, or on rough out of round - close to zero.
Then tighten all four jaws, usually using a cheater on the chuck wrench. TIGHT.

Leave the sling on piece. Move to end of piece. Level on top, check, rotate, check.
High end, use hammer to bump in close to level at each jaw.
Now use dial indicator to get closer, bump in with hammer (DON'T forget to pull indicator plunger
away from piece before you strike).

Once you are happy with the zero at the chuck and the end, go back an make 'SURE" each
jaw is "TIGHT". Remove sling.

Now center drilling the end, or if it's a core piece, turning a 60* angle for the live center.
(We have drilled a thru hole on pieces of this size)
Obviously, a piece of this size would be "DANGEROUS" at high speed.
Choose a low speed around 80 rpm's or less. If you have a bump button, bump it a couple times to see how it' spinning. If not, engage, and prepare to shut down fast.

You can always increase the rpm's, to high at first, how fast can you get out of the way.

Center drill, watch/listen for chatter. You may have to peck in a center.
Cored piece, use compound to cut angle.
Engage live center.

If drilling is required.
Engage live center,
At the tail end, turn down for several inches (in this case - say to 7.900).
Go to head and turn down for several inches (enough for steady rest) to 7.900.
Move carriage about center of piece.
Set up steady rest, and set to the turned spot at the tail end.
Remove live center, drill half way thru.

Flip piece ends, to drill other end.
Zero chuck end, zero on the turned area, not the rough area.
If both turned spaces are 7.900, then the end in the steady should be zero.
Center drill and drill.

Engage live center.

Turn the part.

Hope the info will be of use to someone.

62 and still making chips, for work, for home shop, and for fun.
 
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