Welding for dummies thread?

Gary brings up a good point too. A good ole AC/DC buzz box is also a great option and a proven performer over time. There are buzz boxes that were brand new 50 years ago still working everyday in shops and garages all over. No telling how many bush hogs have been welded in that time. Let us know what your planning and we will be thrilled to help you out any way we can. Thanks for the poke in my memory too Gary.
Bob
 
Thumbs up on the good old Buzz Box! Good advice!

I have a Lincoln 125/225 AC/DC buzz box (red tombstone) and it's hands-down my preferred machine for stick welding. Very nice feel to it and no fiddling with settings like on the newer machines. -Can't beat it.


Ray

PS: Those Lincoln's are commonly found in Craigslist. Make sure you get the AC/DC model because a lot of arc welding benefits from DC.
 
Hi, in my opinion, if you wanted to get a single welding unit that would give you the most options then I would suggest a 4 in one ie; AC/DC/MMA/Plasma cutter and you will only need one tank of argon, hook up an air compressor and you also can plasma cut. however said that you definitely won't get a new reasonably good inverter one for under $300, more like $1K plus, even a Chinese import. The AC will do Aluminium, the DC stainless, mild steel and others, and you also have MMA (stick) welding as well.

Having said that I have also have seen a 3 in 1 MIG that also does TIG and MMA, however I do not know how good they are, if you get a MIG, a bottle of mixed gas will do most metals apart from Aluminium for which you will require a separate bottle of pure Argon and then you also lose the Plasma cutting. These type are also more than the $300 budget you have. Also as mentioned previously, MIG and TIG require clean metals to weld, especially TIG.

My personal opinion is that the cheap welders are generally not worth getting and I would save up and get a more expensive and higher a higher capacity unit which will give you many more options, such as higher duty cycles, better features, such as more settings etc. It is a one off cost that will last you a long time, (think of it as a tool investment for your welding future,) they are also easier to weld with, are able to produce better welds (depending on your welding skills) and less frustrating. If you do get a cheap one you will have to work within the machines limitations and there will be many! My brother had a cheap 140amp MMA welder and had trouble getting decent welds for years, spent more time grinding out the welds than anything as they were crap. I lucked in and picked up a new $700 welder for $220 on E-Bay for him (Bargains can be had out there!) and since he started welding with it, he couldn't thank me enough, 30 minute jobs now only took 5 minutes and with welds that were spot on and no touch up necessary.

I have both an Everlast 256 4 in 1 TIG and a Miller AutoInvision 456 inverter MIG which covers nearly all of my welding requirement, and while an Oxy-Acet setup would complete the shed, I cannot justify the additional annual cost of hiring two more cylinders which will see little use. Your welding requirement are different to mine and so your units could be quite a bit smaller, also the 240V machines are much better than the 110V and 3 phase 440V better still, but that also depends on what voltage is available to you.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Cheers

Ed.
 
What equipment can I use to weld or braze stainless steel? It is not heavy just about 1/16". Dave
 
Hey Joe, I simply love your number 5 idea. Lawn art that emits laser rays looks alien pointed at those
speeding idiots that ran over my shop cat. Anyways back to the post. Although have a AO Smith
225 amp that also has battery charger attachment. Since few yrs back I came upon a beauty, Miller
225 amp gas a/c d/c. from a neighbor tottaly serviced $400. I simply love it never used the old Smith
again. Then we have $600 thereabouts Lincoln (110vt) mig. that gets used alot. Then for house calls
we put the mig in the tool truck and run it off the Miller (also a generator too). I think you really will
need ox/ act. Athough the bigest problem is tanks. High rent rates and supply people are touchey
filling those small ones you can buy anywhere. Im luckey I own my tanks from back in the 1950s, all
I need is proof of ownership. I deal with Air Gas I think they are nationwide. Of course they dont fill
them we exchange them. This time of year, its not machining, its welding snowplows, and thats
five this week from a blizzard. And also a chop saw thats a must have. And then again, it all depends
what you want to do. But a good little mig is really a good start, running on house current. Perhaps
Tractor Supply or somebody carries those small ox/ act. setups but ask who fills them. Samuel
 
What equipment can I use to weld or braze stainless steel? It is not heavy just about 1/16". Dave

if you have a mig welder, get a bottle of Tri-Mix and a one pound spool of 308 stainless wire,install.... get er' done!!
other wise spot weld if you can get away with it!
hope it helps
mike:))
 
Depending on the joint configuration, you may also consider silver solder or sil-phos on the stainless. It is not as strong, of course, as welding..... but is easier to learn and can be buffed out to look decent. It's not a color match, but if this is a non-cosmetic joint, it may serve nicely.

Lowe's, for example, has a small oxy-Acetylene portable gas rig like you might see A/C guys carry.

http://www.lowes.com/pd_98353-1703-...rentURL=?Ns=p_product_avg_rating|1&facetInfo=

Pretty handy, easily portable.

Lots of opinions on welding, nearly as many as there are methods and materials that dictate the best approach. There usually are more than one way to accomplish a job, so you must be the one to choose what the majority of the welding you are intending to do, and try to decide what type of equipment would suit your purpose, both immediate and longer term. Many times you can start with something basic, like an oxy-fuel set that will allow cutting, welding, and brazing and silver soldering in addition to general purpose heating, which is handy for countless tasks and not something that most of the other methods and equipment can do.

I can go along with MIG being about the closest to a general purpose machine, and with the proper selection of shielding gases and wire can weld the most common materials easily. Heavier materials can be welded with a MIG, but of course along with heavy capacity comes larger, more expensive machines. But that doesn't mean you can't be patient and get a good used machine from someone.

TIG is a more technical method, and also the most versatile is you consider the range of different materials that can be joined with that process. But again, it is not easy to learn (but hardly impossible) and far more "fussy" to achieve good quality welds. My own preference is TIG for small, light, precision welds that must be high quality. Also you can weld dissimilar materials with TIG, which is difficult to impossible with some other methods. And materials that you normally wouldn't even think of arc welding.

For heavy duty, rough work, as several of the guys have mentioned, good old fashioned "stick" or rod machines are in their niche. There's a reason they are the machine of choice for most pipeline, outdoor, and large tank/vessel work. But again, capacity comes with cost. Ac only machines are cheaper, but there are some rods you shouldn't use with them, and some materials that, for all practical purposes cannot be properly joined with that type machine. AC/DC machines cost more, but expand the capability, not necessarily in material thickness, but in types of rod that can be used, which gives more latitude in position and base material weldability.

Of course, it would be nice to have all the different methods, including E-Beam and Laser equipment, but that's not realistic for a home shop. So consider where you want to start, learn that method well and then decide which way and how far to expand your welding capability.
 
Personally-------- get yourself a AC/DC Arc welder.
You will never weld up tool post with a mig--- they just don't have enough bite to dig into inch steel.
With a Arc welder you can but different rods and weld many types of projects.
Understand I am just a hack but I am also a woodworker so I have a good ideal of where you are going with this.

Hey Gary, That would depend on how big the MIG welder is, a 225 amp Mig will weld 12mm plate, and with multi pass welding can weld thicker, also with the larger MIG welders, 1" steel is no problem, I blew holes in a piece of 20mm plate once for kicks using 1.2mm wire, I am sure that if I put in 1.6mm wire and cranked it up to 560 plus amps it would penetrate well into much thicker steel, heat distortion would be a bugger though :thinking:. But I don't think the OP wants to weld 1" steel, as he also wants to heat treat some steel he will also need some sort of GAS torch to heat metal apart from a welder to join metal, but not for $300 budget.

Cheers

Ed.
 
Before you spend a dime, consider the need to cut, grind or drill steel. Welding benches with a vise and clamping capability are common. Add ventilation and sheetrocking/ or sheeting the walls to prevent spark exposure. The welder is only one expense.
Gary's advice might be good- take a class. It will show you tools needed for steel construction projects. You can also check out the shop picture thread here. Lots of welders in this forum.
 
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