TouchDRO Build 2022-10-28

[atunguyd]

Do what's easiest, new tablets are cheap. Work arounds for older tablets may exist but until the new apk is up an running it should be a minor concern. I found a fix for jelly bean playstore. So getting it from playstore for older android may still be possible for user on the backend. I just flashed my old galaxy tab from 3 to 6 and it's working fine.

Buying a new tablet every couple years kind of defeats the point of using touchdro doesn't it. It would be better for me to just buy a cheap sino dro display for a bit more than a tablet and never have to pay again.

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[Unlogic]

Buying a new tablet every couple years kind of defeats the point of using touchdro doesn't it. It would be better for me to just buy a cheap sino dro display for a bit more than a tablet and never have to pay again.

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The lifecycle regarding updates of various Android devices is outside the scope of what Yuiry or any other app can control. The only thing you can do in this area is to buy a tablet from a manufacturer with a good track record when it comes to updates of the underlying Android OS. If yo buy a used device which is at the end of it's lifecycle it might be a bad investment.

A sino dro is not a comparable to the Touch DRO. Yuiry has added new features to Touch DRO which you'll never see in the sino dro's sold today.

 

[ycroosh]

Buying a new tablet every couple years kind of defeats the point of using touchdro doesn't it. It would be better for me to just buy a cheap sino dro display for a bit more than a tablet and never have to pay again.

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I'm not sure if you read the thread, but we are talking about two current Samsung tablets (A7 and A8) that have a power management driver bug. It's quite a leap from that to "Buying a new tablet every couple years". TouchDRO V3 (which hasn't even been released yet) runs perfectly fine on Android version released in November of 2014.

That said, the point of TouchDRO is not to compete with Sino, even though the price can be comparable. The whole idea is that for the price of a mid-range Chinese DRO you get functionality of a high-end unit that costs 10x as much.

Regards
Yuriy

 

[Hard_ware]

Awesome,

Strange thing is the tools showed up after tablet was idle for a couple hours on a workspace. When changing workspaces tools disappeared again.

Nothing will come close to Touchdro as far as what can be done on a manual lathe. You dont need a new tablet only one that isn't 15 yrs old to run the new version. Once you are setup you don't need to change anything. New version does what old version does but much much better, but old version works fine as a DRO.
I have used touchdro workspace to cut some projects and its on the money accutate using the glass scales. I saved a inside cut tool profile which is only a +.060 x & -.060 z offset to profile the inside cut profile leaving a .060 wall. Blind cutting isn't blind anymore. I use the compound to cut angles inside a workpiece and just return it to physical start point before moving the X or Z so the workspace is not out of sync. Works perfect. I will put up some videos on YT when I get a chance.

 

[ycroosh]

Awesome,

Strange thing is the tools showed up after tablet was idle for a couple hours on a workspace. When changing workspaces tools disappeared again.

Nothing will come close to Touchdro as far as what can be done on a manual lathe. You dont need a new tablet only one that isn't 15 yrs old to run the new version. Once you are setup you don't need to change anything. New version does what old version does but much much better, but old version works fine as a DRO.
I have used touchdro workspace to cut some projects and its on the money accutate using the glass scales. I saved a inside cut tool profile which is only a +.060 x & -.060 z offset to profile the inside cut profile leaving a .060 wall. Blind cutting isn't blind anymore. I use the compound to cut angles inside a workpiece and just return it to physical start point before moving the X or Z so the workspace is not out of sync. Works perfect. I will put up some videos on YT when I get a chance.

The tool library disappearing was a bone headed bug on my part. I changed the way tools work. In V2.5 they were grouped by machine type. In V3 I group them by configuration (so if you have two lathes, you can have two different tool libraries). This means that when you switch configurations, tools from the old config need to be unloaded and new ones loaded. Except I placed loading code where it should be, and unloading code into workspace switching logic (instead of configuration). It should be fixed now (Look for build 2022-10-31).

On a related note: if you have ideas of what else I can add to the Lathe mode, please let me know. I've been adding a lot of stuff to the milling machine mode, but can't think of too many things in lathe mode.
One feature I have in the works is a thread cutting function. Still trying to wrap my brain around the UI, but the idea is that when I need to cut threads, I want to be able to just say "the thread starts here and goes to here. It will be an ID thread with major dimeter of ... and ... TPI". All that stuff is computable (i.e. there are formulas) but I'm not sure how I will dill with thread classes, and how to output/display it. My initial idea is to add a series of sub-datums to the workspace along the lines "ID", "Undercut Start", "Undercut End", "Thread", etc. Let me know if this is a crazy idea, please.

Regards
Yuriy

 

[Hard_ware]

I will load it when I get home from work today.

The function which I would use a lot would be a W that updates the Z and the X from a compound angle. I have a work around I noted in previous post. But having ability to track the compound in the workspace would be excellent. This would play into threading as well.
For threading you need tach input as you already have Z & X. A simple calculation would give a TPI based on 1 inch of travel per X amount of chuck revs. Engaging the leadscrew would automatically make TPI calculations possible. This would give confirmation that the gear combinations are indeed going to cut the desired TPI or chuck rotations per inch. Getting more advanced would be having a encoder tracking the chuck and having a virtual leadscrew dial on screen which would allow metric or imperial threads on any lathe. I am thinking of a quick magnet mount dial style device to use the W axis when needed, so no permanent mounted device on the compound. Just add another guide mark to workspace, this can be used as a start/stop reference.

 

[ycroosh]

I will load it when I get home from work today.

The function which I would use a lot would be a W that updates the Z and the X from a compound angle. I have a work around I noted in previous post. But having ability to track the compound in the workspace would be excellent. This would play into threading as well.
For threading you need tach input as you already have Z & X. A simple calculation would give a TPI based on 1 inch of travel per X amount of chuck revs. Engaging the leadscrew would automatically make TPI calculations possible. This would give confirmation that the gear combinations are indeed going to cut the desired TPI or chuck rotations per inch. Getting more advanced would be having a encoder tracking the chuck and having a virtual leadscrew dial on screen which would allow metric or imperial threads on any lathe. I am thinking of a quick magnet mount dial style device to use the W axis when needed, so no permanent mounted device on the compound. Just add another guide mark to workspace, this can be used as a start/stop reference.

Well, you just reminded me that the Axis Details display for the lathe is wrong. I'll fix it after work.
The part about tracking the compound is the reason why I ended up rewriting most of the internal code, so it's "in the works". in V2.5 there are two things in the readout chain - input adapter that parses stuff coming from the scales and output presenter that converts it to the appropriate human units. In V3 I added a whole new thing that can route "anything to anything". Right now you only see the part where you can map any two inputs to any output (which is new), but the grand idea is to have a way to be able use mathematical formulas. Right now under the hood the DRO runs Z=z+w (capital letters are output axis labels, lower case letters are input axis labels). To do the thing you want for the compound you could use "y" input to add an encoder to the compound. Your formula for X would then be X=y*cos(A) and Z would Z=y*sin(A) (A is the label for the angular axis). I still need to productize all this, and it will likely be in the "Plus" version some time next year.

Let me know if this makes sense.
Thank you
Yuriy

 

[Hard_ware]

yes

 

[atunguyd]

The lifecycle regarding updates of various Android devices is outside the scope of what Yuiry or any other app can control. The only thing you can do in this area is to buy a tablet from a manufacturer with a good track record when it comes to updates of the underlying Android OS. If yo buy a used device which is at the end of it's lifecycle it might be a bad investment.

A sino dro is not a comparable to the Touch DRO. Yuiry has added new features to Touch DRO which you'll never see in the sino dro's sold today.

Sorry I was not suggesting that the Android life cycle is in any way Yuri's doing.

I am in fact a fan of touch dro. However I am saying that if Google starts to force apps to have to be restricted to a maximum of 3 Android versions then it would very much defeat the cost savings of using touch dro.

Unfortunatly even the best manufacturers only really provide updates for about 3 years these days.

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[Hard_ware]

Sorry I was not suggesting that the Android life cycle is in any way Yuri's doing.

I am in fact a fan of touch dro. However I am saying that if Google starts to force apps to have to be restricted to a maximum of 3 Android versions then it would very much defeat the cost savings of using touch dro.

Unfortunatly even the best manufacturers only really provide updates for about 3 years these days.

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No reason to say sorry, we each have our own view point and yes getting forced to buy new hardware sucks especially as now what do you do with the old stuff that was working fine.
Yes, getting updated with playstore can be a problem as they run the show. But if you already have a working system no need to update. The old version touchdro is and has been working and hasn't been updated since 2016. But the new touchdro is a different program under the hood. If you want a visual workspace and not just reading digits this new version is the ticket. I am only speaking of lathe work. You create a visual workpiece and then just turn to the dots. Adding an array new points at any angle is a is a key press and a few numerical entries. A part can be designed on the fly. I hope to post some videos to show this setup. I think its the simplest setup once you get the scales installed.