The Homeless Shaper (G&E 20-24" Industrial Universal)

Part 6:

Not a huge update, but I continue to plug away at things. I pulled the vise off the table and found a couple of pounds of chips hidden in the T-slots. I gave the table a very quick cleaning and ran a non-abrasive wheel over it and it cleaned up pretty well. Part of the reason for removing the table is to help with balance when unloading it...it was clearly front heavy during loading, and the vise has to be 200lbs or so.

I've pretty much finished working my way around the entire machine with a scrapper and the shop vac to remove the worst of the loose paint. After than I followed with a wire brush and a variety of cleaners to remove the bulk of the dried grease/oil/dirt. It's still pretty dirty, but about 200% better than it was!

I ordered new 1/4" round wicking felt from McMaster-Carr and that showed up the other day. I went with the F3 density rather than the harder F1 density. My thought was the F3 is supposed to absorb more fluid than the F1, so that's probably a good thing in this application. I cleaned the sight glass recesses, packed them with new felt and popped the covers back on. One of the covers has a crack that leaks badly so I made a temporary plug out of acetal. I have to make a sight glass for the table as well so I ordered some 1/8" thick 1" diameter round clear acrylic and that should be here soon. I'll probably turn a couple of plugs out of aluminum that the clear acrylic will drop in.

I worked on the table oiling system and it turns out there is a Bijur meter in between the pump and the table, and that meter was plugged. I've read it's generally not possible to clean this sort of meter (similar to the meters used on one-shot oil systems). I found someone selling a bag of 6 on eBay....$13 with shipping was too good to pass up. I used compressed air on the table oil lines and also ran .025" welding MIG wire through the lines and they seem to be clear. I sprayed some WD-40 into the lines and then followed that with compressed air (yes, it sprayed on me a bit) and there was flow on the far end, so that's a good sign.

My next challenge is to get the vertical movement of the table free. I couldn't get it to move at all initially. I triple-checked that both the clamping strap nut and rail clamp were loose (table support is off as well). A couple of days spraying penetrating fluid with no change. I then carefully put a jack under the table all the way at the rear, close to the vertical ways, put upwards pressure on the table frame and used a 3lb hammer to tap on the bottom of the table and from the sides along the ways. I soaked it in penetrating fluid again and let it sit overnight with upwards pressure from the jack. Finally I saw a bit of movement and was able to crank the table upwards a bit. It still doesn't want to lower with the crank, so I'm letting it sit, soaked in penetrating fluid again rather than force things. I think this is one of those times where you get a little movement, soak it some more, get a little movement, wash, rinse repeat until it moves freely rather than use brute force.

I took a short video of the inside while running...lube is clearly flowing. You can see the epoxy putty repair on one of the lines. I'm going to replace that, but I figured I would wait to see if I have to replace any other lines first. If so, I'll replace them all at the same time.

To be continued...

Ref the Bjour fittings. If you already know, please chalk it off to someone stating the obvious. The Bjour's orifice sizes are used to even out the oil discharge at different lengths from the pump. So you should try to match the replacements. They had an original service life of ~ 1 year in industrial use, and the internal filters will apparently clog up with disuse. Commonly reported problem on the Monarch lathes. As your pump runs with the motor, you should be able to run it and wait to see oil flowing before putting the machine in operation. On the Square Dial 10EE it's done by engaging the feed rod should anyone wonder.

Ron
 
FWIW very envious of both the machine and the space to use it. Not that I have any idea what project I could use it on. Still, love reading about your score & work.

It may seem insane, but the 3,400# 10EE is designed to be able to use the pads as leveling points. Looks like I have it up on toothpicks. You may want to splurge on some machine pads from McMaster-Carr and then just use the 4X4 as needed to move it. The advantage is the ease of getting to every thing and drip pan placement. Others have made pads out of hockey picks.
 
Ref the Bjour fittings. If you already know, please chalk it off to someone stating the obvious. The Bjour's orifice sizes are used to even out the oil discharge at different lengths from the pump. So you should try to match the replacements. They had an original service life of ~ 1 year in industrial use, and the internal filters will apparently clog up with disuse. Commonly reported problem on the Monarch lathes. As your pump runs with the motor, you should be able to run it and wait to see oil flowing before putting the machine in operation. On the Square Dial 10EE it's done by engaging the feed rod should anyone wonder.

Ron
Thanks Ron. I did use the exact same size Bijur meter and I am getting flow to the table. I think this is the only meter on the whole machine, and I'm not even sure it's original. I've watched a lot of G&E shaper videos and read a lot of forum threads and haven't heard of anyone mentioning them in the past. Either way, it seems to work and I managed to get a bag of six meters for less than $15 so I've got plenty of spares! I was aware of the clogging issue from having a Bijur system on my Bridgeport and knew that trying to clean them isn't recommended, although some people claim to have had success doing so. I just bought new meters rather than guess that oil is flowing properly. On the G&E the pump runs any time the motor is running so I've been letting the motor run for a couple of minutes before engaging the ram...figure it can't hurt.
 
FWIW very envious of both the machine and the space to use it. Not that I have any idea what project I could use it on. Still, love reading about your score & work.

It may seem insane, but the 3,400# 10EE is designed to be able to use the pads as leveling points. Looks like I have it up on toothpicks. You may want to splurge on some machine pads from McMaster-Carr and then just use the 4X4 as needed to move it. The advantage is the ease of getting to every thing and drip pan placement. Others have made pads out of hockey picks.

Thanks...I'm not sure what I'm going to be using it for, but I'll figure that out later :grin:

I was definitely planning for some kind of leveling pads and a drip tray as well. The pending move will be a temporary home just to get it on the ground where I can continue working on it.
 
Thanks Ron. I did use the exact same size Bijur meter and I am getting flow to the table. I think this is the only meter on the whole machine, and I'm not even sure it's original. I've watched a lot of G&E shaper videos and read a lot of forum threads and haven't heard of anyone mentioning them in the past. Either way, it seems to work and I managed to get a bag of six meters for less than $15 so I've got plenty of spares! I was aware of the clogging issue from having a Bijur system on my Bridgeport and knew that trying to clean them isn't recommended, although some people claim to have had success doing so. I just bought new meters rather than guess that oil is flowing properly. On the G&E the pump runs any time the motor is running so I've been letting the motor run for a couple of minutes before engaging the ram...figure it can't hurt.
Sounds great and sorry I was preaching to the choir, but ya never know. I was trying to remember what had been reported as working to clean them. Sadly I've hit the "Can't remember " stage so didn't even mention it. Now I'll be off on a crazy rediscovery quest.
 
Very minor update:

It turns out a Kubota SVL90-2 compact tract loader (skid steer on tracks) is capable of lifting a 20-24" G&E shaper! The book says it can lift 6K but I've never tried picking up something that heavy with it before. My neighbor came over to help me...I lifted it up, he drove the truck to pull the trailer out from under the shaper and then I set it down and switched to lift it from the other side. I had some 4x4s cut and ready so we set it on those. I broke out the drill and used some 5/8" lag bolts to secure the shaper to the 4x4s. I put it in front of my K&T horizontal with enough space both are useable. I'm making a space for both machines about 20 feet from where they are now, so this is a temporary home. I have both on 4x4s so I can lift them with either the Kubota or a pallet jack and not need any help with straps, etc. Removing the vise seemed to make it balance almost perfectly with the ram pretty much centered.

It was a huge relief to get the shaper on the ground safely!

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