Provisions for moving a PM-1054TS

[verbotenwhisky]

I attended High school in Henderson and 2 year deg in Kilgore, (it was cheaper than living in College station).

My father Got his degree from East Texas State in Commerce TX. My family has been in that area for over 100 years and I split my younger years between there and Houston.

 

[Jake M]

my plan is to do a 36" door inside of a 6' wide section of wall that is hinged, so take out a few screws and swing the wall back and have an almost ceiling height by 6' wide opening to move anything in/out and a normal 36" door there the rest of the time.

This is the way to do what you're doing. I have seen it done.

I don't know enough to give "real" advice, but a couple of things to consider-

Consider framing it in like an overhead door, and to a standard overhead door dimension. That futureproofs the whole thing a bit should the size of your machines OR, just as likely, if the size of your work changes.

Consider splitting it in half. Two swing out walls. Framed in, insulated walls are a considerable weight. By that merit, it might actually make things similar.

I think you said this, but WITHOUT compromise on any headers, consider any (reasonable) effort to make it as tall as you possibly can. Short machine tools with hoisting mechanisms above them get very tall, very fast. Tractor buckets or loader arms with attachments are the WORST in this department. Every inch of headspace you can get is a bonus that you will use one day. (I say that, but I'll also be the first to say that "some" hydraulic hoist is a helluva lot better than no hydraulic hoist).

Consider your local tax appraisal (This is expensive taxes on a door in some places....), your heating/cooling load, and see if a proper insulated overhead (not roll up) door might be plausible. I hear what you're saying about doors, but there are many of us who work in front of a disused or seldom used overhead door daily. That could (If and only if it fits your life), be an "easy way out". A machine that's on a riser which fits a pallet jack can disappear pretty quick if you wanted it to.

Do you have much first hand experience with pallet jacks? They're quite versatile. Especially at 100 miles per hour like the LTL drivers do. But if you're moving slowly and carefully, and especially slowly and carefully with topheavy loads that shouldn't be on them--- (I'm guilty too, no judgement here......) please take this advice- SWEEP THE DANG FLOOR..... Seriously. If you follow no other precautionary advice about the tricycle effect, keeping center of mass towards the nose wheels for top heavy things... All those are good and necessary advice, but that's the one to remember right there. Sweep the floor. After that, and after you figure out how to store it without wasting space, they're amazingly versatile tools. Four out of five chiropractors would more than likely recommend everyone have a pallet jack.

 

[dabear3428]

This is the way to do what you're doing. I have seen it done.

I don't know enough to give "real" advice, but a couple of things to consider-

Consider framing it in like an overhead door, and to a standard overhead door dimension. That futureproofs the whole thing a bit should the size of your machines OR, just as likely, if the size of your work changes.

Consider splitting it in half. Two swing out walls. Framed in, insulated walls are a considerable weight. By that merit, it might actually make things similar.

I think you said this, but WITHOUT compromise on any headers, consider any (reasonable) effort to make it as tall as you possibly can. Short machine tools with hoisting mechanisms above them get very tall, very fast. Tractor buckets or loader arms with attachments are the WORST in this department. Every inch of headspace you can get is a bonus that you will use one day. (I say that, but I'll also be the first to say that "some" hydraulic hoist is a helluva lot better than no hydraulic hoist).

Consider your local tax appraisal (This is expensive taxes on a door in some places....), your heating/cooling load, and see if a proper insulated overhead (not roll up) door might be plausible. I hear what you're saying about doors, but there are many of us who work in front of a disused or seldom used overhead door daily. That could (If and only if it fits your life), be an "easy way out". A machine that's on a riser which fits a pallet jack can disappear pretty quick if you wanted it to.

Do you have much first hand experience with pallet jacks? They're quite versatile. Especially at 100 miles per hour like the LTL drivers do. But if you're moving slowly and carefully, and especially slowly and carefully with topheavy loads that shouldn't be on them--- (I'm guilty too, no judgement here......) please take this advice- SWEEP THE DANG FLOOR..... Seriously. If you follow no other precautionary advice about the tricycle effect, keeping center of mass towards the nose wheels for top heavy things... All those are good and necessary advice, but that's the one to remember right there. Sweep the floor. After that, and after you figure out how to store it without wasting space, they're amazingly versatile tools. Four out of five chiropractors would more than likely recommend everyone have a pallet jack.

all good advice, I'm keeping the dedicated "door" space down because it eats up usable wall space from the stand point of electrical outlets so my plan is to have light switches and power outlets in the 6' swing away wall section. also the overhead lighting and vac connections are impacted by overhead doors. Taxing is not an issue where i'm at, the tax collector is not allowed access and if they sneak in i have a tractor with a FEL for disposal of what the dogs don't eat (kidding of course), besides it cuts down on the cost of dog food lol. I allowed the tax collector in to inspect the building when it was a shell and as far as they know it is just a shell with an electrical service, so barn/equipment storage, no water no sewer etc. and if they get too crazy / **** me off, I will be converting it to Agg use and then they can get stuffed.

I have it planned to carry double 2x4 header above the swing out section of wall and may go to 3X, the ceiling height is going to be closer to 8'3" so the 2x header leaves me with a full 96" clear at the swing away. the rest of the shop is 12' eve height so i can stage equipment with my FEL onto base frames that allow a pallet jack to be used for the final move into the machining area. the design of my base frame leaves runners/outriggers that expand the base of the equipment for stability and only have to be 1" or so clear of the floor for moving so safety built into that.
storing needed but not right now equipment is covered by the lean to sections of the building 16' X 60' on each side with racks for storage so i think i can cover anything i may need (never works out that way) I built this as a 30'X60" 12" eve thinking that i would never need this much space but already playing tetris. I'm on 11 acres so i will just build more if needed.

the space started out looking like Carlsbad caverns and now i find myself having to plan where to put stuff so that i can walk, that is a full sized utility tractor for reference.

 

[verbotenwhisky]

all good advice, I'm keeping the dedicated "door" space down because it eats up usable wall space from the stand point of electrical outlets so my plan is to have light switches and power outlets in the 6' swing away wall section. also the overhead lighting and vac connections are impacted by overhead doors. Taxing is not an issue where i'm at, the tax collector is not allowed access and if they sneak in i have a tractor with a FEL for disposal of what the dogs don't eat (kidding of course), besides it cuts down on the cost of dog food lol. I allowed the tax collector in to inspect the building when it was a shell and as far as they know it is just a shell with an electrical service, so barn/equipment storage, no water no sewer etc. and if they get too crazy / **** me off, I will be converting it to Agg use and then they can get stuffed.

I have it planned to carry double 2x4 header above the swing out section of wall and may go to 3X, the ceiling height is going to be closer to 8'3" so the 2x header leaves me with a full 96" clear at the swing away. the rest of the shop is 12' eve height so i can stage equipment with my FEL onto base frames that allow a pallet jack to be used for the final move into the machining area. the design of my base frame leaves runners/outriggers that expand the base of the equipment for stability and only have to be 1" or so clear of the floor for moving so safety built into that.
storing needed but not right now equipment is covered by the lean to sections of the building 16' X 60' on each side with racks for storage so i think i can cover anything i may need (never works out that way) I built this as a 30'X60" 12" eve thinking that i would never need this much space but already playing tetris. I'm on 11 acres so i will just build more if needed.

the space started out looking like Carlsbad caverns and now i find myself having to plan where to put stuff so that i can walk, that is a full sized utility tractor for reference.

Are you going to insulate that space for a mini split?

 

[dabear3428]

Are you going to insulate that space for a mini split?

kind of the whole point of building out the space, originally i was thinking that I just wanted an office space with A/C and the machining area could be just vented with the large fan that i installed but after sweating into/on my work/equipment I have decided that A/C was inorder for the Machining area also (not the grinding and welding area). and yes around here if you A/C a space without insulation it will sweat and rust out post haste.