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I have been searching for a good used 12x36 or 13x40 lathe. Even if I take my chances on a used lathe that is 20 to 30 years old, by the time I have it shipped to me I can purchase a PM 13X40 for $1500 more. I am a retired machinist. I am familiar with Summit an Clausing lathes with 13" to 42" chucks. Also ran WebsterBennet vertical lathes with 4 ft. And 12 ft. Chucks. Pretty set on the PM 13X40 made in Taiwan with flame hardened ways and gear teeth.

My question is, do I really need to spend $700 for an 8" 3 jaw chuck and $450 for the 4 jaw chuck.
Anyone one have any tips on 3 jaw and 4 jaw chucks, 8"?
I have most of the materials on hand to build most of the stand so I don't need PM'S lathe stand. I plan on using some heavy wall 4" pipe for the 4 headstock legs an 2 tailstock legs. (Filled with cement)
I also read that if you put a piece of good grade plywood between the chip pan and the base it really helps with vibration and better finishes.
 
I have the 1236T, which is the slightly smaller version of that lathe. I can’t comment on the 3 jaw chuck since mine came with an economy version, but the 8” 4 jaw is nicely made and works very well. I think it is well worth what they are charging for it.

If you haven’t already, search @davidpbest posts on his 1340GT, he did an incredible job with his upgrades and might give you some ideas on how to build the stand.
 
Depends on the level/type of turning you are doing, but the short answer in my opinion is yes it is worth it. I previously owned a 1340GT and at the time it came withe both a generic Chinese 3J scroll and 4J independent. The 8" 4J was pretty crude in casting/jaws and I could not get it past 400 RPM because it was so out of balance, the 6" 3J was a direct mount and had a pretty poor TIR as well as axial skew when holding stock. PM/QMT replaced the 4J with the one below, and it was a significant improvement an no vibration to 2000 RPM. The 3J scroll adjustable is similar quality/performance and less than 1/2 the price of a Bison/TMX/PBA brands. I think you will be disappointed in the long run with lesser chucks. Shar's does offer some similar chucks, price is a bit more and you will pay more for shipping vs. purchasing the chucks from PM/QMT with a lathe. I would also recommend a collet chuck for smaller stock.

 
I have the 1236T, which is the slightly smaller version of that lathe. I can’t comment on the 3 jaw chuck since mine came with an economy version, but the 8” 4 jaw is nicely made and works very well. I think it is well worth what they are charging for it.

If you haven’t already, search @davidpbest posts on his 1340GT, he did an incredible job with his upgrades and might give you some ideas on how to build the stand.
Thanks, I will check it out
 
Depends on the level/type of turning you are doing, but the short answer in my opinion is yes it is worth it. I previously owned a 1340GT and at the time it came withe both a generic Chinese 3J scroll and 4J independent. The 8" 4J was pretty crude in casting/jaws and I could not get it past 400 RPM because it was so out of balance, the 6" 3J was a direct mount and had a pretty poor TIR as well as axial skew when holding stock. PM/QMT replaced the 4J with the one below, and it was a significant improvement an no vibration to 2000 RPM. The 3J scroll adjustable is similar quality/performance and less than 1/2 the price of a Bison/TMX/PBA brands. I think you will be disappointed in the long run with lesser chucks. Shar's does offer some similar chucks, price is a bit more and you will pay more for shipping vs. purchasing the chucks from PM/QMT with a lathe. I would also recommend a collet chuck for smaller stock.

Thanks, I appreciate the information.
 
Thanks, I will check it out
Good luck finding my content - the search function seems to be corrupted at the moment. As to the chucks, I believe an ultra precision 6" 3-jaw is a good choice and worth the $$. Get one with set-tru adjustability and two-piece jaws. For the 4-jaw, you don't need anything above standard issue IMO.
 
While I have done well saving money on simple HF tools like pullers and hydraulic presses, when it comes to machine tooling it's always cost me more money in the long run to buy the less expensive tooling then replace it with higher quality. So I just cry once now.

Besides as my brother keeps reminding me, you can't take it with you.
 
I have watched more YouTube videos than I can count. I was really considering the PM 12x28 lathe but I couldn't get past the reverse lever that you need to install plus the fact you need to reverse the feed at the headstock when facing your stock off from od to center after feeding towards the headstock. That's just wrong... And yes I have to spend another $2500 to jump to the 13x40, but like you quoted, you can't take it with you.
 
The set-tru style 3J chuck that PM sells generally gets good reviews. It's still imported, but that really isn't a deal breaker.

It looks like the pricing is a bit different from what you mention. They list the 6" adjustable 3J as $700 and the 8" adjustable 3J at $1K, but the 8" is D1-5.

Personally (and I'm looking at a 16" PM as my retirement present so I've gone down this comparison path) I would buy an 8" San Ou adjustable structure 3J chuck for about half the money. I say that because I've put four of them on lathes and they're really, really nice chucks. They're actually a touch larger at 210mm/2.26" but that shouldn't be an issue. I've had both the 8" and 6" versions and multiples of each so I'm sure I didn't just get lucky. The 6" version is actually 167mm/6.57".

When I say they San Ou adjustable 3-jaws are "really, really nice chucks" I say that as someone who has four made in U.S. Buck set-tru 3J and 6J chucks, two or three Bison 3J chucks (some adjustable), Bison 4J, Pratt-Burnerd 3J adjustable, PB non-adjustable, Bison 4J, Toolmex 4J, Kalamazoo 4J and probably some I'm forgetting....so a pile of good, quality chucks to compare against. I'm on lathe 16 or 17 now and picking up another next week so I've seen a lot of chucks come and go with most of the U.S. brands represented at one point or another.

I will admit it's easy for me because CME Tools is the original importer for San Ou chucks and I work just a few minutes away from them so I can go pick one up and not pay shipping, but even paying shipping they're still about half of what PM gets. The guys there know me by now and won't say it, but have indicated that maybe the supplier making these chucks is the one making chucks for Buck now. Their quote was that "they're the biggest manufacturer of chucks in China and make chucks for "big names" as well" so I'm thinking they mean Buck.

Equally honest, I tried a San Ou 4-jaw, found issues with cracked teeth on the jaws, returned it for another and have to admit that they are nowhere near as nice as the 3J chucks for some reason. I've actually had both the standard and adjustable 3J and the quality looks identical. The 4J was just on the rough side from casting and finishing standpoints. Other than the fact that a 4J has to be dialed in every time so you'll get the same accuracy with a cheap 4J as an expensive one, I'd still look at something nicer than the San Ou for a 4J.

They sell on both eBay and their website and sometimes one will have a lower price than the other (guy that answers the phone said one takes longer to process updates so pricing can lag a bit there...not sure which).

This is the "6" version with D1-4 adapter plate....$299 shipped. I had one of these (and the 8") for my Logan and it was my favorite chuck to use...easily zeroed well under .001" runout, nice jaws, very repeatable. I'm actually considering getting one for my 16" Victor (D1-6) because they work so well and are light enough I don't dread taking it on/off like I do the bigger chucks (8" isn't bad, 10" and bigger are brutal).

 
The set-tru style 3J chuck that PM sells generally gets good reviews. It's still imported, but that really isn't a deal breaker.

It looks like the pricing is a bit different from what you mention. They list the 6" adjustable 3J as $700 and the 8" adjustable 3J at $1K, but the 8" is D1-5.

Personally (and I'm looking at a 16" PM as my retirement present so I've gone down this comparison path) I would buy an 8" San Ou adjustable structure 3J chuck for about half the money. I say that because I've put four of them on lathes and they're really, really nice chucks. They're actually a touch larger at 210mm/2.26" but that shouldn't be an issue. I've had both the 8" and 6" versions and multiples of each so I'm sure I didn't just get lucky. The 6" version is actually 167mm/6.57".

When I say they San Ou adjustable 3-jaws are "really, really nice chucks" I say that as someone who has four made in U.S. Buck set-tru 3J and 6J chucks, two or three Bison 3J chucks (some adjustable), Bison 4J, Pratt-Burnerd 3J adjustable, PB non-adjustable, Bison 4J, Toolmex 4J, Kalamazoo 4J and probably some I'm forgetting....so a pile of good, quality chucks to compare against. I'm on lathe 16 or 17 now and picking up another next week so I've seen a lot of chucks come and go with most of the U.S. brands represented at one point or another.

I will admit it's easy for me because CME Tools is the original importer for San Ou chucks and I work just a few minutes away from them so I can go pick one up and not pay shipping, but even paying shipping they're still about half of what PM gets. The guys there know me by now and won't say it, but have indicated that maybe the supplier making these chucks is the one making chucks for Buck now. Their quote was that "they're the biggest manufacturer of chucks in China and make chucks for "big names" as well" so I'm thinking they mean Buck.

Equally honest, I tried a San Ou 4-jaw, found issues with cracked teeth on the jaws, returned it for another and have to admit that they are nowhere near as nice as the 3J chucks for some reason. I've actually had both the standard and adjustable 3J and the quality looks identical. The 4J was just on the rough side from casting and finishing standpoints. Other than the fact that a 4J has to be dialed in every time so you'll get the same accuracy with a cheap 4J as an expensive one, I'd still look at something nicer than the San Ou for a 4J.

They sell on both eBay and their website and sometimes one will have a lower price than the other (guy that answers the phone said one takes longer to process updates so pricing can lag a bit there...not sure which).

This is the "6" version with D1-4 adapter plate....$299 shipped. I had one of these (and the 8") for my Logan and it was my favorite chuck to use...easily zeroed well under .001" runout, nice jaws, very repeatable. I'm actually considering getting one for my 16" Victor (D1-6) because they work so well and are light enough I don't dread taking it on/off like I do the bigger chucks (8" isn't bad, 10" and bigger are brutal).

Thanks for the info. I really appreciate it.
 
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