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My good friend Alan B., a member of this forum, worked as an electrical engineer for 40 years. He highly recommends that I get a VFD.

If anybody has any links to a VFD that would be good for a 5 HP lathe, I would like to look at them. I’m going to throw a couple of candidates out there myself:


I don’t understand why the input on this Hitachi VFD is 3 phase.

I think I am going to have to hire an electrician. The wires from my main panel to my outlet are either 8 ga or 10 ga, and some of these devices call for 4 ga all the way to the panel.
 
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One of my 220V welders calls for a 40A breaker. I wonder if I could obtain that with two slim double breakers.

I was with the electrician when he wired my 40A, 220V outlet which has both three and four prong (female) receptacles. He was telling me how our panel was jam packed with wires.

Our house used to be one house, and the previous owner put another house on top of it so we have 2 water heaters, 2 furnaces, etc. The electrician (my uncle) says that we will never be able to install A/C.

The outlet has been a champ for welding, and I may share that outlet with the lathe.


I'm not an electrician, but I have risked a Don King hairdo a few times. As I understand it, you can use the double breakers for 120v because in reality every slot in the box is set up for 240v. Those double 120v breakers just use one hot leg for one, and the other hot leg for the other. Since a 240v breaker uses both sides, you can't get a double breaker for them.

In our shops we really don't have 3 phase, the phase converter or VFD just take our single phase power and make the machine think it is 3 phase. Getting real 3 phase power apparently is very expensive.

If the electrical at your house is that bad, it might be worth looking at adding an additional drop from PG&E to power your garage. Not cheap to do, but a side benefit might be the ability to add A/C to your house which might make it an easier sale to the rest of the family.


As far as the VFD, I got excellent service from Wolf Automation. I sent them an email explaining what I was looking for, and a tech responded within a few minutes, and gave me several options at different price points as well as explaining why they were making those recommendations.

https://www.wolfautomation.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI99Owl6Cr6gIVDSCtBh0GOgRCEAAYASAAEgKUtfD_BwE


I installed the VFD on my mill, but I'm still kind of shocked that I was able to get it to work, so not going to even try to suggest a particular VFD. However looking at the 5-7.5hp VFDs at Wolf I see several in the $400-800 range which I suspect will work for you.
 
This video was similar to my application because the guy tapped into his welding outlet:

 
I'm not an electrician, but I have risked a Don King hairdo a few times. As I understand it, you can use the double breakers for 120v because in reality every slot in the box is set up for 240v. Those double 120v breakers just use one hot leg for one, and the other hot leg for the other. Since a 240v breaker uses both sides, you can't get a double breaker for them.

In our shops we really don't have 3 phase, the phase converter or VFD just take our single phase power and make the machine think it is 3 phase. Getting real 3 phase power apparently is very expensive.

If the electrical at your house is that bad, it might be worth looking at adding an additional drop from PG&E to power your garage. Not cheap to do, but a side benefit might be the ability to add A/C to your house which might make it an easier sale to the rest of the family.


As far as the VFD, I got excellent service from Wolf Automation. I sent them an email explaining what I was looking for, and a tech responded within a few minutes, and gave me several options at different price points as well as explaining why they were making those recommendations.

https://www.wolfautomation.com/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI99Owl6Cr6gIVDSCtBh0GOgRCEAAYASAAEgKUtfD_BwE


I installed the VFD on my mill, but I'm still kind of shocked that I was able to get it to work, so not going to even try to suggest a particular VFD. However looking at the 5-7.5hp VFDs at Wolf I see several in the $400-800 range which I suspect will work for you.

That is a new idea to ask PG&E for a new drop because all the electrician could talk about was how this was the end of the line as far as adding wires in the panel. The 10 (or was it 8?) gauge wire for my welding outlet barely fit through the back of the panel.

To be blunt, the electrician said that nobody will be adding any new wires into that panel so I am looking at tapping into the existing outlet.

I saw Wolf Automation on my first internet search. I will shoot them an email tomorrow & post here what I found out.
 
Here are some Wolf Automation 5HP VFDs:


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and a compact one

 
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And I don’t know if it is advisable to choose a 7.5 HP in order to have a safety factor:

 
My house is wired for 100 amps, I have a 100 amp capable TIG machine, I had a company make a fused breaker, with a 100 amp plug in for the welder. IF I ever needed a high amperage capability it can be done. If I was to go max power on the welder, I think circuits would trip if my wife used her electric tooth brush,pull 200 amp service if possible. My underground is 2" PVC, I need 4" to pull 200 amp service.
 
Sorry, can't help with the VFDs as my machines are 3HP and I used the VFD that Matt at PM sells. My house has a 200A service. The garage already had a 15A 120V service but I had a 70A box put in that has two 20A 120V circuits and two 30A circuits for my mill and lathe. I'm the only one out there, so I only run one machine at a time. :)
 
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