Only took 3 years

[benmychree]

I will stand my ground on this one, I have actually scrapped several machines for the reasons stated. a machine in that category costs you money with no return if you pay rent for shop space. If the shop is paying you income to preform work for customers and you have these millstones hanging around your neck when the space can be better used, you are going down a hole, income wise.

 

[400bird]

This is "hobby" machinist, right? Not necessarily professional, rent a shop, make income from it. Or am I in the wrong forum?

If this was his day job, for his livelyhood, feeding the family, sure. But umm, hobby

 

[toprecyler]

I will stand my ground on this one, I have actually scrapped several machines for the reasons stated. a machine in that category costs you money with no return if you pay rent for shop space. If the shop is paying you income to preform work for customers and you have these millstones hanging around your neck when the space can be better used, you are going down a hole, income wise.

That one perspective. Not necessarily right for everyone. Sure , is it really feasible for someone to rebuild an old tool. Probably not if basing reasons on income/ money value. But, if money is not part of the reason, you just need a project to do, then there is a ton of knowledge to be learned in the process. And time killing at its best.

What else would you think he should do? Sit around being a couch potato and watching soap operas on tv?

Personally, I am trying to build up my hobby shop for when I retire. And have a big supply of raw materials on hand for when I do get the urge to go make something. Just having the shop and tools to go putter in for a couple days is relaxing. It will help me keep my mind and body active.


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[woodchucker]

That one perspective. Not necessarily right for everyone. Sure , is it really feasible for someone to rebuild an old tool. Probably not if basing reasons on income/ money value. But, if money is not part of the reason, you just need a project to do, then there is a ton of knowledge to be learned in the process. And time killing at its best.

What else would you think he should do? Sit around being a couch potato and watching soap operas on tv?

Personally, I am trying to build up my hobby shop for when I retire. And have a big supply of raw materials on hand for when I do get the urge to go make something. Just having the shop and tools to go putter in for a couple days is relaxing. It will help me keep my mind and body active.


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that's what I did. I gotta say I wish I had the shop in my 20s and 30s. I had tons of projects/ideas back then. Not the money for it, but the need.

 

[Charles scozzari]

I will stand my ground on this one, I have actually scrapped several machines for the reasons stated. a machine in that category costs you money with no return if you pay rent for shop space. If the shop is paying you income to preform work for customers and you have these millstones hanging around your neck when the space can be better used, you are going down a hole, income wise.

Sometimes I just stand there and look at my vast pile of Projects and think I'll do it tomorrow and say the some thing tomorrow and the next tomorrow and so on. Maybe it extends life, who knows.

 

[verbotenwhisky]

The benefit is the satisfaction that is gained by doing the recovery. I worked for money for the first 55 years of my life and got little satisfaction from money. I had a job that paid very well but at the end of the day was seldom able to self-reward myself with saying "Job well done." (my job was managing people and machines) People complain and machines break. Sometimes machines broke because people were too lazy to run them. Money means very little to me. Take a walk through a cemetery and look at all the magnificent head stones and then look at the humble ones. I see no benefit in headstones. They just take up space and provide little benefit.

Your point is very well made ltlvt.

Reminds me on the story my grandfather use to tell me from time to time about the rich man that didn't have much to do with his kids. Old man was laying in bed dying so he called his eldest son and instructed him to go sell everything he had, and cash out all his accounts, and place the money in a trunk and put it in the attic so he could grab it on his way by. Days later the old man dies.....

A couple months pass and his family, wife and kids are broke and hungry. Mamma calls the oldest boy and says go up in the attic and see if your father was kind enough to leave us anything. The boy goes up, as instructed and brings down the trunk, mamma opens it and it is as full as it was when the young man had taken it up stares. Mamma leans back and looks at her children, smiles and says," thats what I thought he wasn't headed that direction.

Telling stories like that use to be the way the older generation got their point across and taught us.... My kids roll their eye when I share, but I share all the same.

 

[woodchucker]

rolling my eyes like your kids... You mean I can't take my tools with me
Hoping they go to a good home , preferably my son, but if not, I've restored a bunch of nice machines, and an old well worn lathe.

 

[verbotenwhisky]

rolling my eyes like your kids... You mean I can't take my tools with me
Hoping they go to a good home , preferably my son, but if not, I've restored a bunch of nice machines, and an old well worn lathe.

My son and My daughter have said my stuff will remain in the family.

 

[SouthernChap]

I will stand my ground on this one, I have actually scrapped several machines for the reasons stated. a machine in that category costs you money with no return if you pay rent for shop space. If the shop is paying you income to preform work for customers and you have these millstones hanging around your neck when the space can be better used, you are going down a hole, income wise.

Does the OP rent his shop space or is it hin his home? As far as I've been able to make out, it seems to be the latter.

Is the shop paying him income? I don't think it is. If it does bring him some, I get the impression it doesn't represent a mandatory income, I don't think the OP eats or starves on it.

I'm still an utter new boy around these parts and maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but to my mind, posts like the ones you have posted on this thread don't add to the friendly, hobbyist, 'eejit wet-behind-the-ears beginners (like me), aprentices, journeymen or masters, all are welcome' feel that is so special about this forum. In fact it feels a bit...oh I don't know...sniffy?

I mean, sure, give firm, practical guidance when someone is demonstrating some poor practice in machining. Even give stern correction if they're doing something unsafe.

But to tell someone that they're wasting their time on a machine tool restoration because it's not bringing in the moolah? Seems to me that's kinda missing the point of this forum by a hell of a margin.

 

[ltlvt]

Does the OP rent his shop space or is it hin his home? As far as I've been able to make out, it seems to be the latter.

Is the shop paying him income? I don't think it is. If it does bring him some, I get the impression it doesn't represent a mandatory income, I don't think the OP eats or starves on it.

I'm still an utter new boy around these parts and maybe I'm speaking out of turn, but to my mind, posts like the ones you have posted on this thread don't add to the friendly, hobbyist, 'eejit wet-behind-the-ears beginners (like me), aprentices, journeymen or masters, all are welcome' feel that is so special about this forum. In fact it feels a bit...oh I don't know...sniffy?

I mean, sure, give firm, practical guidance when someone is demonstrating some poor practice in machining. Even give stern correction if they're doing something unsafe.

But to tell someone that they're wasting their time on a machine tool restoration because it's not bringing in the moolah? Seems to me that's kinda missing the point of this forum by a hell of a margin.

You are right on SouthernChap. I do not rent. I'm living out my dream in the home I bought 38 years ago. My intent was to retire in this home and have no rent/house payments when I retired. I refuse to do any kind of work for money. I did that for years so that I could retire and now I am here. I am also here on this forum because it is mostly friendly to the hobbyist like me and mostly very helpful when aid is needed. I always have and will remain giving the greatest of compliments to this forum. all being said I prefer salted to unsalted potato chips. My cardiologist tells me I should refrain from any salt intake but in the end does it really matter. In the end everyone can say "He really enjoyed salted potato chips" As I post my projects on this forum I share my experience of machining with many different people from all over. My first lathe a Clausing Model 100 was given to me by my brother . It was pretty much worn out to the point of being junk. At that time in my life I was in a semi state of recovering from a heart attack and was so depressed I was ready to call my brother who I loved very much and ask him to come get all my tools because I was not physically capable of using them. I have since made many improvements to that old lathe to the point of making +- tolerances of .001. Hence the restoration of antique and vintage machine tools is now a passion of mine. Most of my work is done via a walker or a shop stool because "Standing" is not a sport that I compete in since the heart attack 10 years ago. All the above being said I lost my brother to Covid in 2021. He is still with me in my thoughts every day but since I can't show and tell him my passion of machine tool restoration I show those on this forum what I would be showing him if he were still alive.

BTW I have 3 bags of Lays salty potato chips just waiting for me to enjoy. In the end me and my cardiologist will end up in the same place.