No gloves with lathe and mill....need citation

[Larry$]

Have them sign a waiver to that effect, if they still insist on wearing gloves while machining.

It's worth noting that courts have ruled people can not give away their right to suite ...... Like signing a company policy or accepting something like a ticket with disclaimers printed on the back (in a .0001 font).

 

[Headhunter Pipe Co]

I worked in mining which is under MSHA

https://www.msha.gov/regulations

Everything that turns has to have a guard round it.
All the drill presses were auto feed.
Any one operating anything without using the guard is a safety violation.

Title 30 Code of Federal Regulations

Federal enforcement agency responsible for the health and safety of the nation's miners.

arlweb.msha.gov

 

[woodchucker]

I worked in mining which is under MSHA

https://www.msha.gov/regulations

Everything that turns has to have a guard round it.
All the drill presses were auto feed.
Any one operating anything without using the guard is a safety violation.

Title 30 Code of Federal Regulations

Federal enforcement agency responsible for the health and safety of the nation's miners.

arlweb.msha.gov

my opinion on that is that is a stupid rule. There are things that just need some common sense. Not everything needs a guard. A dremel or die grinder is inefficient with a guard. So is a hand drill. So lets get real... disclaimer: I didn't read the regs, too busy, and I don't want to go to sleep reading drivel.

 

[Headhunter Pipe Co]

my opinion on that is that is a stupid rule. There are things that just need some common sense. Not everything needs a guard. A dremel or die grinder is inefficient with a guard. So is a hand drill. So lets get real... disclaimer: I didn't read the regs, too busy, and I don't want to go to sleep reading drivel.

LOL Your saying what posted is stupid when your not wanting to use safety equipment . I have never had conversation like this before.
Glade its your opinion ... and you want toss safety gear. which doesn't fly on most job sights.

Real world

Safety rules on most decent jobs are enforced . in mining and pretty much every job I worked in that was decent paying job.
The mine gets fined. if there is anyone caught violating the rules.
The rules are there for everyone;s safety and they are not up for debate.
The number one thing will get everyone fired is unsafe acts or breaking a safety rule.
I am getting paid regardless, and I am getting paid to follow all MSHA rules no matter what
To me Its just part of the Job,, Safety is always # 1
Your always trying make things safer and never taking away anything that is anykind of safety guard. Again doing that on a mine sight and your gone.
As of calling a guard on anything turning or spinning stupid, I think its been life savers.
Operate a grinder on a US mine sight without a guard.. And its a great way of getting fired, Safety violations or unsafe acts will not be tolerated.
Everyone's bonus is based on no lost time accidents. Your fellow worker will turn you in.
Anyone getting hurt cost their fellow workers thousands of dollars,,, no matter how it happens, you just cost 50 men their bonus.
You might as well quite.... and forget working at another mine... Not only that most people dont take kindly to fellow employees not following the safety rules and costing them their bonus.. If thats the case the employee will be fired , because someone on the job will get them.

These are set in stone rules and my or anyones else's opinion won't be debated when it comes to on the job safety.
Be safe or hit the high way.. there is no in between.
If or as a supervisor, if I told someone to do anything on the job not use certain safety equipment ...I am liable.....It would be my job
And if bad enough could be prosecuted.


If you told the safety manager on the mine sight grinder guards are stupid,, lol You would be escorted off the sight on the spot.
Then who stupid? you just lost close a 6 figure job, and no other mine will hire you because your walking safety violation.
Your not going to another mine to screw 50 more men out of their bonus. That record follows you.
You loose your job, and your home because you think grinder guards are stupid.. Sounds logical to me.

 

[Shotgun]

That sounds like a wonderful post for the Hobby-Miners board.
How many Bridgeports or pre-1950s lathes are running out at the mines?

 

[verbotenwhisky]

We have a lathe and vertical mill in our workshop at work. It's always been the wild west - anyone who has access to that area can use them freely with no training or anything else. I'm trying to change that.
I've established a "steering committee" to help with this. None of us are formally trained machinists, but we all have some training and experience.

I sent out the lathe safety/operational test to the team today. One guy insists he needs to wear gloves.
I know gloves are a no-no. I'd love to find a citation from OSHA or some other occupational organization, maybe even a metalworking industry group to be able to cite instead of "I found on hobby-machinist.com" or "I found YouTube videos" or "some jackleg on the internet told me it's a bad idea."

Anybody got anything like that?

I wear Nitral Gloves when I am working anything where I come in contact with Hydrocarbons; but, those will not drag you into the machine. When working offshore you are required to wear gloves in most work areas but I do not think that holds true in the machinery areas.

 

[verbotenwhisky]

LOL Your saying what posted is stupid when your not wanting to use safety equipment . I have never had conversation like this before.
Glade its your opinion ... and you want toss safety gear. which doesn't fly on most job sights.

Real world

Safety rules on most decent jobs are enforced . in mining and pretty much every job I worked in that was decent paying job.
The mine gets fined. if there is anyone caught violating the rules.
The rules are there for everyone;s safety and they are not up for debate.
The number one thing will get everyone fired is unsafe acts or breaking a safety rule.
I am getting paid regardless, and I am getting paid to follow all MSHA rules no matter what
To me Its just part of the Job,, Safety is always # 1
Your always trying make things safer and never taking away anything that is anykind of safety guard. Again doing that on a mine sight and your gone.
As of calling a guard on anything turning or spinning stupid, I think its been life savers.
Operate a grinder on a US mine sight without a guard.. And its a great way of getting fired, Safety violations or unsafe acts will not be tolerated.
Everyone's bonus is based on no lost time accidents. Your fellow worker will turn you in.
Anyone getting hurt cost their fellow workers thousands of dollars,,, no matter how it happens, you just cost 50 men their bonus.
You might as well quite.... and forget working at another mine... Not only that most people dont take kindly to fellow employees not following the safety rules and costing them their bonus.. If thats the case the employee will be fired , because someone on the job will get them.

These are set in stone rules and my or anyones else's opinion won't be debated when it comes to on the job safety.
Be safe or hit the high way.. there is no in between.
If or as a supervisor, if I told someone to do anything on the job not use certain safety equipment ...I am liable.....It would be my job
And if bad enough could be prosecuted.


If you told the safety manager on the mine sight grinder guards are stupid,, lol You would be escorted off the sight on the spot.
Then who stupid? you just lost close a 6 figure job, and no other mine will hire you because your walking safety violation.
Your not going to another mine to screw 50 more men out of their bonus. That record follows you.
You loose your job, and your home because you think grinder guards are stupid.. Sounds logical to me.

Get caught outside the Quarters on an offshore installation 1 to many times without your gloves and you'll get a ride home without a job. I think we probably have plenty of rotating equipment...

 

[verbotenwhisky]

Quote: "you can wear 9mil and lighter gloves"
NO GLOVES! Not even thin ones.
You have a reflex to withdraw from pain. Ever touch something hot? You pull away even before you can think about it. Same thing with getting a sharp poke from a needle etc.
Your reflex to withdraw might leave you with a small wound on a finger.
But with a glove of any kind you lose that reflex. And you can get pulled in, lose your whole hand or arm. And worse.

You obviously do not understand the properties of light hydrocarbons such as but not limited to cutting oils.

 

[RaisedByWolves]

There is nothing wrong with wearing gloves while loading, unloading, changing a tool, setting up, or operating a machine.

There is something wrong with wearing gloves while putting your hands on moving parts, live spindles, pinch points, etc.

See the difference?

Human nature is the problem here, ie complacency.

We just had a guy take another job and he was constantly “forgetting” to take off his ***** mittens and running the machines.

EHS told him once and said never again and he still wore them.

I fear if he does this at the new job he will get bounced, but that is not my issue.

My issue is working around these types as I have had the displeasure to grab a coworkers arm when the 1/8” drill bit, rather the chip coming off it grabbed his glove and started winding him in.

He was able to brace himself with his free hand but not brace himself AND hit the rocker lever on the BP head.

Pulled that glove tight like a Chinese handcuff and wound it up into a misshapen ball.

I still have somewhere to show the younger guys.

 

[RaisedByWolves]

Just to clarify. These are the kind of gloves I'm taking about.
View attachment 442513
They are so thin and easy to rip it's impossible to be pulled in by them. If we still disagree that's fine.

Nothing is impossible and this is the type of thinking that will get you hurt.

My long blond hair was thin snd delicate and still wrapped around a drill chuck and wanted to pull me in.

Luckily I only lost a few strands vs getting properly scalped. Never in my days did I think my hair would be close enough to the chuck for this to happen, thought it was impossible as it was tied up as well as could be.