That would be the one, I recently purchased a 10 x 24 Atlas Screw Cutting Lathe and the original manual was included. It was in very good shape and kept in a plastic bag and there is a wealth of information inside of it. The former owner had owned the machine for 40 years and told me he learned everything he knew about machine work from a high-school shop class and that manual.
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Need help with tooling ID for 10" Atlas lathe
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That would be the one, I recently purchased a 10 x 24 Atlas Screw Cutting Lathe and the original manual was included. It was in very good shape and kept in a plastic bag and there is a wealth of information inside of it. The former owner had owned the machine for 40 years and told me he learned everything he knew about machine work from a high-school shop class and that manual.
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Allen,
The current (new) version of the Atlas MoLO is dated 1982. All of the tables and the general information is still applicable to your 10". But the majority of the photographs are of the 12" "Commercial". And some of the older accessories (which went out of production in the mid 50's) are no longer shown. If you want one that shows your machine and the older accessories, you should look for one dated about 1940 to 1955. If your machine doesn't have a QCGB, then better would be 1940-1947 or so. However, this range is apparently rare, as I've been looking for over a year and not turned one up. For some strange reason, there seem to be a fair number of 1937's around. I actually have an extra 1955 (not sure how I ended up with two) that is in fair+ condition (some water damage to some of the pages). I paid a little more but will take $25 plus shipping for it. The front cover says Craftsman, though.
Robert D.
The current (new) version of the Atlas MoLO is dated 1982. All of the tables and the general information is still applicable to your 10". But the majority of the photographs are of the 12" "Commercial". And some of the older accessories (which went out of production in the mid 50's) are no longer shown. If you want one that shows your machine and the older accessories, you should look for one dated about 1940 to 1955. If your machine doesn't have a QCGB, then better would be 1940-1947 or so. However, this range is apparently rare, as I've been looking for over a year and not turned one up. For some strange reason, there seem to be a fair number of 1937's around. I actually have an extra 1955 (not sure how I ended up with two) that is in fair+ condition (some water damage to some of the pages). I paid a little more but will take $25 plus shipping for it. The front cover says Craftsman, though.
Robert D.
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Hi There,
i found a scan of a 1937 version of the Manual Of Lathe Operations on line. It has details of of many of these attachments and how to use them. I don't condone reproduction of copyright material but when you can't find a legit copy what can you do?
They were not giving it away for free which makes it worse. Funny how I ended my membership befor the free period was over.
Please let me know what the forum policy is before I post details of where I found it.
thanks
David.
i found a scan of a 1937 version of the Manual Of Lathe Operations on line. It has details of of many of these attachments and how to use them. I don't condone reproduction of copyright material but when you can't find a legit copy what can you do?
They were not giving it away for free which makes it worse. Funny how I ended my membership befor the free period was over.
Please let me know what the forum policy is before I post details of where I found it.
thanks
David.
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David,
From comments posted here and on or through other sites by people who profess to know about these things, the copyright situation of the Atlas (and Craftsman version) Manual of Lathe Operations is ambiguous for at least three reasons.
(1) the company is still in business today (as Clausing) with no breaks in ownership of the original name "Atlas".
(2) they still sell new copies of the most recent version (1982).
(3) the page (back side of the Title Page) of all versions contains a list beginning with 1937 and ending with the year/version of the then current copy. In between are listed all of the years/versions. The page makes no mention of Copyright or of a copyright start date for the copy. There is no statement identifying what the years shown actually mean (edition, etc.).
People who have or have seen copies of the book with different final years know that in general something changed each time that Atlas incremented or added the final year shown. Most of those who claim more than casual familiarity with copyright law have concluded that from a legal standpoint, the book might have never been "out of print".
The owners of the several Atlas-related sites I happen to be a member of have generally said (if the subject ever came up) not to upload scanned copies of any year to their sites (groups, forums).
On the other hand, I know of at least two eBay vendors who have been offering for sale hard copies of one or more years, although at least one has them ID'd by which machines are covered and not the print year. So far, at least, eBay has not pulled the ads. Whatever that means.
That all having been said, the general rule here on posting URL's to other sites has been not to do it if the owner of the other site objected. I'm a little puzzled by your third sentence. Why don't you send me the URL (PM, I guess) and let me take a look, and then ask the H-M owner what he thinks.
Robert D.
From comments posted here and on or through other sites by people who profess to know about these things, the copyright situation of the Atlas (and Craftsman version) Manual of Lathe Operations is ambiguous for at least three reasons.
(1) the company is still in business today (as Clausing) with no breaks in ownership of the original name "Atlas".
(2) they still sell new copies of the most recent version (1982).
(3) the page (back side of the Title Page) of all versions contains a list beginning with 1937 and ending with the year/version of the then current copy. In between are listed all of the years/versions. The page makes no mention of Copyright or of a copyright start date for the copy. There is no statement identifying what the years shown actually mean (edition, etc.).
People who have or have seen copies of the book with different final years know that in general something changed each time that Atlas incremented or added the final year shown. Most of those who claim more than casual familiarity with copyright law have concluded that from a legal standpoint, the book might have never been "out of print".
The owners of the several Atlas-related sites I happen to be a member of have generally said (if the subject ever came up) not to upload scanned copies of any year to their sites (groups, forums).
On the other hand, I know of at least two eBay vendors who have been offering for sale hard copies of one or more years, although at least one has them ID'd by which machines are covered and not the print year. So far, at least, eBay has not pulled the ads. Whatever that means.
That all having been said, the general rule here on posting URL's to other sites has been not to do it if the owner of the other site objected. I'm a little puzzled by your third sentence. Why don't you send me the URL (PM, I guess) and let me take a look, and then ask the H-M owner what he thinks.
Robert D.
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Hi Robert,
The front inside cover of the scanned version I have certainly says "Copyright 1937 Atlas Press Company Printed in USA" (Price One Dollar)
As for my third sentence
"I don't condone reproduction of copyright material but when you can't find a legit copy what can you do"
I mean if someone is trying to find an old version of a book and can't, using legitimate means. If there are copied versions available it would be hard to resist obtaining one if you really want to know the information. Your right it is confusing when modern versions of the book are still in print although the removal of the old information kind of makes it irrelevant in this case.
I did a Google for copyright in USA out of curiosity and as you said. It's complicated especially for works published prior to 1978.
The site where I found the scanned book is called Scribd. I wasn't suggesting anyone should join that site to get the book. They are probably breaking copyright as much as anyone else in this case.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread too far off track. I really just wanted to say details of the old lathe attachments are in the 1937 version and you can get it if your really want to.
Thanks
David.
The front inside cover of the scanned version I have certainly says "Copyright 1937 Atlas Press Company Printed in USA" (Price One Dollar)
As for my third sentence
"I don't condone reproduction of copyright material but when you can't find a legit copy what can you do"
I mean if someone is trying to find an old version of a book and can't, using legitimate means. If there are copied versions available it would be hard to resist obtaining one if you really want to know the information. Your right it is confusing when modern versions of the book are still in print although the removal of the old information kind of makes it irrelevant in this case.
I did a Google for copyright in USA out of curiosity and as you said. It's complicated especially for works published prior to 1978.
The site where I found the scanned book is called Scribd. I wasn't suggesting anyone should join that site to get the book. They are probably breaking copyright as much as anyone else in this case.
Anyway, I don't want to take the thread too far off track. I really just wanted to say details of the old lathe attachments are in the 1937 version and you can get it if your really want to.
Thanks
David.
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David,
I wrote a longer reply to this but it apparently ended up in the bit bucket. You are of course correct. Several years of looking at the back of the title pages only to see what the final year listed is has apparently resulted in tunnel vision and tunnel memory. It does of course say "Copyrighted" farther up the page. Anyone who wants to download the 1937 edition can certainly go to scribd.com and do so. I don't know what Scribd's policy on copyright is nor how much effort they expend trying to see that it is followed. But generally the onus is on the seller. . I noted that there are four copies on the site. Three are of the same 1937 first edition. Two even appear to be the same scanned file uploaded by two different persons. Poor QC on Scribd's part. The fourth is of the Threading Supplement which added partial application to the 10F. All appear to have been made quickly with a camera, as all of the pages are curved.
To get back to the original topic, your photographs show that with modification to the top of the compound, it is possible to use the BXA tool post on the 10". Having done that, I'm sure that it will work OK for you. But I think that anyone else, unless they acquire a complete BXA set cheaply, would be well advised to opt for the AXA. I have an AXA (actually Yuasa 100 Series) on my 12" and have never felt any inclination to wish I had gone with the BXA.
Robert D.
I wrote a longer reply to this but it apparently ended up in the bit bucket. You are of course correct. Several years of looking at the back of the title pages only to see what the final year listed is has apparently resulted in tunnel vision and tunnel memory. It does of course say "Copyrighted" farther up the page. Anyone who wants to download the 1937 edition can certainly go to scribd.com and do so. I don't know what Scribd's policy on copyright is nor how much effort they expend trying to see that it is followed. But generally the onus is on the seller. . I noted that there are four copies on the site. Three are of the same 1937 first edition. Two even appear to be the same scanned file uploaded by two different persons. Poor QC on Scribd's part. The fourth is of the Threading Supplement which added partial application to the 10F. All appear to have been made quickly with a camera, as all of the pages are curved.
To get back to the original topic, your photographs show that with modification to the top of the compound, it is possible to use the BXA tool post on the 10". Having done that, I'm sure that it will work OK for you. But I think that anyone else, unless they acquire a complete BXA set cheaply, would be well advised to opt for the AXA. I have an AXA (actually Yuasa 100 Series) on my 12" and have never felt any inclination to wish I had gone with the BXA.
Robert D.
Robert and David,
My apologies for not responding to my own thread for a while - the last week or so has been quite a blur. Nevertheless, it seems you guys have been able to carry it just fine without me
) I understand David's comment - I am not one to thumb my nose at copyright laws. I don't believe in getting "something for nothing", so I only consider it as a last resort when I'm in a pinch. Anyway, Robert, I appreciate the book offer. I plan on spending a little time over the holidays trying to carefully salvage my book. If I don't have much success I may take you up on it.
Allen
My apologies for not responding to my own thread for a while - the last week or so has been quite a blur. Nevertheless, it seems you guys have been able to carry it just fine without me
) I understand David's comment - I am not one to thumb my nose at copyright laws. I don't believe in getting "something for nothing", so I only consider it as a last resort when I'm in a pinch. Anyway, Robert, I appreciate the book offer. I plan on spending a little time over the holidays trying to carefully salvage my book. If I don't have much success I may take you up on it.Allen