Lodge and Shipley 16"x8' Model X Lathe

Hi Ken,

Thanks for the tips on the apron bearings and the tip about rebuilding the Bijur oil pump. This lathe will be a nice challenge for me, due to it's complexity. It looks like the ways on my lathe, have very little, if any, wear on them. Sure, they are stained in places, but I don't see any obvious signs of wear, particularly the tool steel ways that the saddle rides on. I suspect, though, that the wear will show up in the saddle and tail stock.

To be honest with you, I haven't come across your rebuild thread yet. I will have to go and check it out, as I am certain that I will learn a lot from it.

Brian
 
Hi Brian,
looking good man!
that tailstock looks like it gotta weigh a few hundred pounds, serious iron there!

i have a tip for you, in case you have not heard this one...
when it comes to removing stubborn bearing races that are captured on the OD and frozen in place.
simply run a tig or mig pass on the id of the frozen race, it will (nearly) fall out as the metal shrinks
i have to use the method sometimes on highvac pumps.
i first saw the method when my uncle had his valve seats upgraded on his BMW motorcycle heads.
i was lucky enough that the guy doing it had an extra hood and let me watch, i was 17 at the time.
i have used the method hundreds of times, i hope the idea may help you.
all the best
 
Brain,

I meant to ask, did your tractor pick up you lathe? I know mine weighed in at 8,000 lbs. and yours is about two or three feet longer than mine.

Ken
 
Hey Ken,

The tractor in the initial photos belongs to the former owner of the lathe. He was just getting some of the weight to help the towing guy get it going up the ramp. There was no way that even that big JD could have lifted it on the head stock end, even a little bit. I estimate that my lathe weighs in at around 8,900 lbs.

Brian
 
Hi Mike :)

Thanks for the tip on removing stuck bearing races. I don't have any welding equipment, yet, but I have a friend who does. Yeah, I'm pretty sure that you are close about the tail stock weighing a few hundred pounds. Everything about this lathe is massive, compared to all of the lathes that I have worked on before.

Brian
 
I'm back again, with a small update... :)

I had a bit of time in the shop and took the rest of the tail stock apart and had a good look at the underside of the main body. All of the hand scraping looks good. The rear oiling hole on the top was open and lots of oil present in the bronze nut, spindle shaft and thrust bearing.

Here's a photo of some of the parts...





The thrust bearing seems to be in pretty good shape, but I may replace it. The forward oiling hole was plugged solid with chips, but there was oil all through the spindle and bore. When I went to move the quick cam bed locking lever at the rear of the tail stock, it simply slid out and the eye bolt stud fell into the chip pan. When I got the tail stock turned on it's side, I discovered that the dog point set screws were backed way out for some reason. Once I removed the set screws, I could see that there was a small hole in the roof of the bore, directly in line with the set screw holes. Then, I noticed the small oiling hole in the side of the casting that looked like it would line up at 90° to the other hole, and carry oil to the cam shaft.





The cam shaft has a series of oiling holes and passages for the three separate bores. These were free and clear of obstruction. The oiling hole took a considerable amount of effort to clear it out of tightly packed chips. This goes to show, that unless you take something completely apart, you can't be certain that oil is getting to where it should.

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Brian
 
Brain,

You need to get some Gits oil cups to put in those holes. McMaster-Carr carries them. I buy and keep a few on hand for things like this. And yes, I had to replace some of the Gits cups on my L & S too. Overall, your tailstock looks darn good for a 63 year old lathe!

Ken
 
4gsr said:
Brain,

You need to get some Gits oil cups to put in those holes. McMaster-Carr carries them. I buy and keep a few on hand for things like this. And yes, I had to replace some of the Gits cups on my L & S too. Overall, your tailstock looks darn good for a 63 year old lathe!

Ken
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Hi Ken,

I have ordered a good selection of Gits oilers, and they are on their way. On the tail stock, there are three different sizes of holes. I may have to redrill a couple of the entrance holes to fit the oilers.

Brian
 
Brain Coral said:
I'm back again, with a small update... :)

I had a bit of time in the shop and took the rest of the tail stock apart and had a good look at the underside of the main body. All of the hand scraping looks good. The rear oiling hole on the top was open and lots of oil present in the bronze nut, spindle shaft and thrust bearing.

Here's a photo of some of the parts...





The thrust bearing seems to be in pretty good shape, but I may replace it. The forward oiling hole was plugged solid with chips, but there was oil all through the spindle and bore. When I went to move the quick cam bed locking lever at the rear of the tail stock, it simply slid out and the eye bolt stud fell into the chip pan. When I got the tail stock turned on it's side, I discovered that the dog point set screws were backed way out for some reason. Once I removed the set screws, I could see that there was a small hole in the roof of the bore, directly in line with the set screw holes. Then, I noticed the small oiling hole in the side of the casting that looked like it would line up at 90° to the other hole, and carry oil to the cam shaft.





The cam shaft has a series of oiling holes and passages for the three separate bores. These were free and clear of obstruction. The oiling hole took a considerable amount of effort to clear it out of tightly packed chips. This goes to show, that unless you take something completely apart, you can't be certain that oil is getting to where it should.

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Brian
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Brian,

That tailstock looks like it's in remarkable condition. I think you've found a very nice machine. We have a couple of very large L&S machines here at work, as well I got to do some work with one your size at the MSR&LHA shop in Cass, WV on a locomotive restoration project a couple years ago.

My big lathe is a 1936 vintage Reed Prentice 16x80. It's had a rough life, but still kicking! Best of luck, I hope you get as much enjoyment out of your machines as I do mine.

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Good old Reed Prentice lathe. Used to be a good old work horse in it's time. We used to have a big Reed Prentice No. 5 Jig mill they used to build. Talking about something that would give you a workout every time you ran it, it would!
 
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