Lathe Stepper Motor Power Feed Mod

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A few months ago I acquired my very first lathe! Even after boundless hours of research, hindsight is always 20/20

The lathe I picked up (BT250F) has all the power and size I could fit through my door and heft down the stairs to my basement shop, but it's pretty spartan on features. Like most hobby lathes it lacks a geared head and features those marvelous change gears we all know and love, but it also lacks a powerfeed separate from the leadscrew. While I read that it's best not to powerfeed with the leadscrew regularly due to wear causing inaccuracy for threading, I was more annoyed by having to swap out change gears to go from threading to powerfeeding and back.

After trying and failing half a dozen designs I found a post I have since lost on a forum I have long since forgotten about using a stepper motor to drive the handwheel. So I went ahead and tried that.

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The Nema 23 Stepper Motor mount will fit in between the handwheel and half nut lever.

The mount was modeled in Rhino and 3D printed for fit before routing from 6061 and mounting to the Apron. There is a slot for a belt tensioner and the apron was tapped for m6 screws

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The original handwheel has a recession for a spring that puts friction on the handwheel dial. The new handwheel needed an additional area for the belt pulley. The belt pulley was threaded onto the shaft and the threads staked in place. Then the replacement handwheel was milled from 6061 and attached to the belt pulley with m6 screws. A collar was also created to sit between the handwheel gear shaft nut and the handwheel to prevent it from tilting under the tension of the belt. I would have liked to add a thrust bearing between the handwheel and apron, but the gear shaft just wasn't long enough and this seems to work fine.
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Instead of key I used an m5 grub screw ground to a square profile at the end which fits beneath the handwheel dial

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When I want to run the carriage longitudinally by hand, the grub screw in the pulley on the stepper motor can be loosened, and it runs pretty smoothly (as long as it's oiled!). A few turns of the grub screw and flicking the motor driver switch and I'm ready to power feed. A lot quicker than swapping change gears!

The stepper motor driver fits in a molded aluminum case mounted to the rear guard and can drive the stepper motor anywhere from 1 - 999 rpm cw or ccw.

In the future I would like to add some kind of guard to keep the belt clean but still gives me access to the dial, and a bearing beneath the stepper motor pulley so it spins without being oiled. The challenge there is that the stepper motor shaft is pretty short, but I have some ideas. Anyway, attached is a short demo of it in action.

Comments and criticism, or any ideas to improve it?
Anyone else made a similar novel upgrade to a low feature set lathe like this?
 

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Nice, I like the very tidy job you've done, especially the enclosure.

The lead screw wear issue is possibly less of a problem for hobbyist use (depending on the type of hobbyist one is, I guess).

I wonder if the warning against may have come more from production usage and been accepted as received wisdom by the hobbyist community; this kind of acceptance of potentially unnecessary over-caution being often the case with technical kit-based hobbies.

I could be wrong of course, and maybe a lot of hobbyists end up with worn out leadscrews because they don't have a separate carriage power feed. I'm only just over a year into this hobby and so lack the longer experience that others have.

In any case, a lot of people either buy one of the commercially available ELSs (Electronic Leadscrew System) or make their own.
 
Nice, I like the very tidy job you've done, especially the enclosure.

The lead screw wear issue is possibly less of a problem for hobbyist use (depending on the type of hobbyist one is, I guess).

I wonder if the warning against may have come more from production usage and been accepted as received wisdom by the hobbyist community; this kind of acceptance of potentially unnecessary over-caution being often the case with technical kit-based hobbies.

I could be wrong of course, and maybe a lot of hobbyists end up with worn out leadscrews because they don't have a separate carriage power feed. I'm only just over a year into this hobby and so lack the longer experience that others have.

In any case, a lot of people either buy one of the commercially available ELSs (Electronic Leadscrew System) or make their own.
Thanks dude, and Yes I agree the leadscrew wear is probably much less of a worry for a hobby that makes use of the machine a few hours per week rather than nearly 100 hours per week and the heavy load of industrial applications.

I’ve only made passing glance at ELS systems, but I’m super intrigued. Looks like it replicates a geared head to drive threading without needing to mess with change gears?
 
An additional refinement would be some kind of clutch on the motor shaft so you can disengage it quickly without tools- some type of a push/ pull mechanism perhaps
Yes that’s a great idea! Something like this is definitely on the short list of improvements. Any mechanisms you’re familiar with off the top of your head that could be scaled to a stubby little 8mm stepper shaft?
 
It would be a three piece unit most likely, with the middle piece sliding to couple/uncouple the hub to the timing sprocket
That's as far as I can envision it. Maybe could be two piece with a captive pin that moves in and out?
I'm sure you can refine the idea
 
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Thanks dude, and Yes I agree the leadscrew wear is probably much less of a worry for a hobby that makes use of the machine a few hours per week rather than nearly 100 hours per week and the heavy load of industrial applications.

I’ve only made passing glance at ELS systems, but I’m super intrigued. Looks like it replicates a geared head to drive threading without needing to mess with change gears?
You need a spindle encoder for an ELS. And a controller that's capable of processing the encoder input in real time. You have already implemented the lead screw drive, so you have already done a lot. An ELS will allow you to choose feed rates and the proper drive to thread any pitch or thread you need, without changing gears.

Yesterday, I needed to cut a 5 TPI acme thread on my ELS. I hadn't implemented a 5 TPI thread, simply because I never needed it. In a couple minutes I figured out the ratio needed and added it to my thread table. Flashed the controller and was able to cut the threads. No gear changes were required, no messy hands. Seriously, you are so close to having an ELS with your setup. Strongly recommend you do the conversion. I love mine.
 
You need a spindle encoder for an ELS. And a controller that's capable of processing the encoder input in real time. You have already implemented the lead screw drive, so you have already done a lot. An ELS will allow you to choose feed rates and the proper drive to thread any pitch or thread you need, without changing gears.

Yesterday, I needed to cut a 5 TPI acme thread on my ELS. I hadn't implemented a 5 TPI thread, simply because I never needed it. In a couple minutes I figured out the ratio needed and added it to my thread table. Flashed the controller and was able to cut the threads. No gear changes were required, no messy hands. Seriously, you are so close to having an ELS with your setup. Strongly recommend you do the conversion. I love mine.
That’s amazing! I have plenty of microcontrollers, I wonder if 48mhz is fast enough for this project
 
That’s amazing! I have plenty of microcontrollers, I wonder if 48mhz is fast enough for this project

Check out Clough42 on YouTube. He did a video series documenting his build. He also released code and some helpful bits to make it easier to replicate. Even if you don't use the same equipment, it can help give you ideas. There are a few build threads here on it as well.

I wouldn't have thought about belt driving the handwheel. Turned out nice!
 
I picked a Teensy 4.x for my ELS. It has a 600MHz clock and lots of processing power. I didn't want my ELS to lock up or crash while I was using it. Under $30 for the processor and definitely does the job. It's also running a touch panel display and displays my DRO's without breaking a sweat. User interface is via the touchscreen and soft buttons (context sensitive programmable). There's several threads on ELS systems on Hobby Machinist, including mine. Worth a read before jumping in head first!
 
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