Thanks for the heads up on scratch and dent.I think the eBay prices are usually out of hand on used Kurts, sometimes 80-90% of the cost of new for a decades old, worn-out vise. I bought my new D688 directly from Kurt for $410.00, delivered to my door. They have a "Scratch and Dent" section that sells vises that have minor cosmetic flaws, they are fully functional warrantee and all, for nice a discount.