Atlas/craftsman Or Pm 1022 V

Good point. I like the idea of a good stout American made machine and it's associated quality. And, one of the reasons I was posting on here is to get opinions and feedback from those that have had both. I've seen enough of the good, and the bad to know that I don't want to buy a new lathe that is a pre-assembled project that needs as much work as
a good, used, well cared for machine. And, there is the positive side of used, often times there is lots of tooling that doesn't have to be bought in order to do some of the simple things.
 
No one has ever reported remembering their father or grandfather saying that he bought an Atlas lathe and it was a lemon.

I think that depends a lot on who you talk to, what else they have owned/worked on, and what they have done with those machines. for example I'm willing to bet someone who has spent a lot of time using a long bed 10EE (12.5" x30") would not speak very highly of any Atlas model. The same would most likely be true of someone who spent a lot of time using an HLV.

I have heard several negative things about Atlas lathes.
1) flat ways are inferior to v ways
2) they are not very rigid, the bed flexes under heavy cuts.
3) the change gears are weak
4) threading on chucks are inferior to other methods.

The context is what's important.
 
Dan,

By "lemon" as you should well know, I meant something that does not perform to specs.

Actually, V-ways have only one practical advantage over flat ways. When the rear of the rear way and front of the front way wears and you tighten up the rear gib to compensate, you may not be able to run the carriage all the way to the right end of the bed. Otherwise, both are subject to the same vertical errors due to wear in the vertical direction and horizontal errors due to horizontal wear. The real problem is that the Atlas ways were not hardened, to reduce their acquisition cost. It is very unlikely that anyone at Atlas expected that so many of their machines would still be doing productive work 80 years on. The largest lathe that I ever saw was a flat bed. It was literally large enough to mount a 10EE on its faceplate. I imagine that the steady rest probably weighed more than my Land Rover. I hired the company that owned it to turn some artificial defects in the OD of a 20 foot length of 48" 0.562" wall X60 line pipe. The only problem I had with it was that they wouldn't let me run it. :)

Your point #2 is valid up to a point. But the Atlas lathes were actually designed to be mounted to a better than average grade of bench or stand and solidly anchored to the floor, slab or deck. But too many hobbyists slap them onto a flimsy bench and add insult to injury by putting castors under the bench. Properly installed, even the 3/8" bed machines do considerably better than their reputation among owners of certain badges claim. Plus the reason that there are so few 10EE's around is that that they cost so much that few could afford them. Which wasn't the case with the Atlas machines.

The Atlas change gears when new are stronger than cast iron gears and a bunch less expensive than hobbed steel gears. The problem is that an estimated 10% of them over the years fell victim to something called Zinc Pest, caused by Zinc of insufficient purity being used to cast them. Atlas did make the mistake of making a few parts out of Zamak that they shouldn't have. All of those problems were corrected by about 1936, and only the Zinc Pest problem (which didn't appear until after WW-II) remained until about 1979 when someone (probably an accountant working for Clausing) ignored history and repeated the mistake. Which along with competition from cheap foreign manufacturers killed the line.

You have to adequately define "inferior". If you mean less runout, the theoretical difference is about 0.001" or less. Which is better than one usually expects from any 3-jaw chuck regardless of how it is mounted. That could actually have been eliminated by the simple expedient of replacing the straight register with a more expensive tapered one. But the cost-benefit ratio did not support that. If you mean not being able to take a heavy cut in reverse, again the cost outweighed the benefit. There are only a few normal lathe operations where you need to run the spindle in reverse. There is an easy workaround for cutting left-hand threads. Grinding in reverse isn't a problem. And if you must put a heavy load on the chuck, then you buy a screw-on chuck designed for that. I have one but have so far never needed to use it. In the larger diameters (larger than anything that Atlas built), there begin to be problems with mounting and dismounting threaded chucks so different and more expensive chuck mounting methods are used. Plus Atlas is far from the only lathe manufacturer to use threaded-nose spindles. All of their competition did as well.

In any case, we don't deliberately bad-mouth other people or their equipment on this site. Regardless of what brand it is or where it was made.
 
To all that answered my request for information I appreciate all the conversation and input. After much consideration, my first choice would be an Atlas/Craftsman commercial, 12x36. But, this weekend I came across a very little used, excellent condition Grizzly G4003 12x36 for a great price. Most accessories had never been used and the lathe itself is in pristine condition. So, for much less than a G0758 or PM1030V, I decided to give it a go. Besides it was in my neighborhood. So, I'll try it out and see how it fits my needs and if for some reason it's wanting, I'll put it up for sale and go another direction. In the meantime, time to make some chips and once again many thanks to all that responded and helped me make the decision to go big or go home......
Jim
 
nice! That's quite a step up from any of the other options! However, as you may discover, no pics = didn't happen :)
 
Here you go.....it did happen, and my back will attest to that.....

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wow, looks like new! If your back is aching, you must be extremely strong :)
 
Don't see a date on it, just the serial number. Will have to call Grizzly and find out but it's supposed to be about 10 years old. But, it does look nice.

A two ton Harbor Freight hydraulic engine hoist makes life so much easier.
 
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