Adventures in Milling; My machines want a new owner.

Mark Lossner

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Adventures in Milling
I have been working with my youngest son to make a radio-controlled tracked crawler. The electronics are working just fine; but, that sort of thing is what I do for a living. The trouble starts when I work on the mechanical pieces. The objective was to make two sheet metal plates to be used to mate the top and bottom halves of the fiberglass body. The strategy was based on the idea that .001” accuracy wasn’t really necessary, so to simplify construction we used an old 2-D drawing program to print cutting layout guides onto full sheet Avery stick-on labels, which were affixed to the raw metal plates. These plates are cold-rolled 1008 #20 gauge steel.

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This a view of the general milling setup. It would have been better to have used longer clamp pads to prevent the sheet from warping under clamping stress. The idea was to move the table until the tooth could be aligned with the cut line carried by the Avery stick-on. Tramming the plate was accomplished by tapping the alignment until a scriber's point would follow the printed line.

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I have no idea why the images paste into the document so large; however, I cannot seem to be able to resize them.

I chose a ¼ inch four flute end mill. My research tells me that this was my first mistake. At any rate, the procedures involved aligning the tooth of the cutter with the cut lines, and then take .020” from the path with each successive cut. The waste ranged from about 1/16 to a bit wider than the end mill.

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As you can see, the cutting job looked like it was made by a troop of metal-eating termites on an orienteering course. It seems that the more I know the worse my machining becomes.

Those burrs are the biggest I have ever seen. It was a brand new milling cutter made of HSS with a TiN coating.

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Here those termites have made it about halfway to the next corner. This is the stretch between the two clamps. The full depth was achieved in three or four passes with the cutter.

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The excrement really hit the blower one I rounded this corner, as if things weren’t bad enough already. It seems that I plunged down twice for this pass. The end mill got really hot and wouldn’t cut anymore.

I finished the trimming job with a different end mill. The original was pretty nasty looking.

Lessons Learned
I went to my books and the web in order to discover the source of my trouble. First, some general information. Speed and feeds were originally determined by consulting the Machinery’s Handbook, so I wasn’t a total boob when I set out. Well, not totally, I guess.

  • Work was #20 gauge 1008 cold-rolled steel sheet.
  • Cutter was ¼ inch HSS with a TiN coating.
  • I brushed Tri-Cool MD7 cutting fluid onto the “in-going” teeth of the cutter.
  • The spindle speed was 1200 RPM. Computed speed was 1376.
  • I was feeding about .1” per second on the hand wheel; and, the computer feed was .54” per second.

As I mentioned before, my post-mortem reading seems to indicate the following:

  • Use a larger end mill that ¼ inch if such would do the job. A ¼ end mill flexes too much to get a smooth cut.
  • If one gets a crappy looking cut, slow down the feed in spite of what the computed speed turned out to be. This is particularly true when small cutters are used.
  • Small end mills clog up with chips when the feed rate is too high for prevailing conditions. Use a two-flute cutter, especially when slotting.
  • Bring the head closer to the table so that a long quill travel isn’t required to bring the cutter into contact with the work.
  • The base problem in this work was “chip packing”. The chips can’t get out of the way of the next flute in time, so following cutting passes just chop up the chips when the chips get caught between the cutting edge and the work. Progress through the cut is little more than a bludgeoning process.

A Startling Confession

This cutting problem isn’t the worst of my experience yesterday, as unbelievable as that might seem. In order to turn the milling cutter to align a tooth with the cutting mark, I stuck an Allen wrench into the R-8 tool arbor as a handle. Yep, you know what happened next: I forgot to take it out. When I turned on the machine, the Allen wrench immediately struck the knob that operates the quill-stop, stalling the motor. I didn’t get my fully-deserved face carving, but I did get a severely bent Allen wrench and a messed up set screw in the tool holder.
I don’t know what the run-out was on my Grizzly G1006 mill before this happened, but it now appears to be about .0005”. Maybe I bent the shaft, maybe I didn’t. Anyone know what the typical run-out of those machines is supposed to be?

OK, Chop Me Up

Now comes the important part. Please flood me with appropriate pointers, information, scolding, and kicks in the ass. I have learned quite a lot with this “Miller’s Waltz”, but I think the opportunity should be taken to make this a prime outlet for guiding the rest of the newbies in “what you should not do.
This is not what I hoped my first post would be like, but I do need some words of wisdom so that I don’t have to do so much milling with the file. I did less filing when I did my cutting with a hacksaw and a jeweler’s saw.

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This may be a silly question, but is the cutter turning in the right direction? It should be rotating clockwise from above.

Tom
 
...is the cutter turning in the right direction? It should be rotating clockwise from above.Tom

Now that raised my eyebrows! :yikes:

I just went into the cave to check that out. Yep, it is turning in the right direction. That cut is so outlandish that it was an appropriate question.

I've made things on the mill before out of substantial bar stock. I've never seen that sort of cut before. I'll post some things I've made ... and those required very little deburring.

Perhaps those rolled sheets have been work hardened or something?

Mark
 
Thanks for sharing the adventure. 0.5 though seems like good runout for a home machine. I doubt mine get any better than that.

One thing to think about is that you are cutting some really thin material there. Even though you have a bunch of strap clams on it, the stuff is so thing it's going to flap at the edges (where the cutter is). Remember, end mills (the most common type anyway) have spiral flutes, and cut with an "upward" force, which can lift thin pieces up. Maybe try a sacrificial piece on top (say, 1/2" MDF). You could also try a "downcut" end mill. They are used a lot on CNC gantry routers for cutting sheet goods because the push the material into the bottom support, rather than lifting.

As far as your cutter, are you using manual feed, or power feed? Usually when the cutter stops cutting its because you ran the speed up to high and burned it (check discoloration), or you ran the feed to high, and broke it. Breakage can be spectacular (thing snaps in half), or difficult to see (especially on small cutters) if you take the corners off the end mill.

One final thing I ran into while trying to cut out some 16ga sheet on my cnc machine. Temperatures can get crazy on the final pass when you are at full depth. On your first couple passes the remaining material acts as a very effective heat sink, pulling heat out of the cutting zone. Once you reach full depth it's gone, and with it a lot of your cooling. Temperatures can spike, and life gets bad. Slow down the spindle, or add an air blast to compensate.
 
Now that raised my eyebrows! :yikes:

I just went into the cave to check that out. Yep, it is turning in the right direction. That cut is so outlandish that it was an appropriate question.

I've made things on the mill before out of substantial bar stock. I've never seen that sort of cut before. I'll post some things I've made ... and those required very little deburring.

Perhaps those rolled sheets have been work hardened or something?

Mark

Mark,

As a former shop teacher I have seen that before...and just about anything else imaginable. It's possible that your mild steel plate isn't mild steel at all and may have a higher carbon content which could lead to work hardening. Did you have any trouble sawing it?

Tom
 
...are you using manual feed, or power feed?
Manual feed is all I have. I was making about one turn per second, which of course is .1" per second.

The cutter was indeed distorted, probably chipped. There was also a color change. It was obviously abused. Perhaps Enco can set those up on a subsription basis...

A sacrificial top cover seems like a good idea. It would be instructive to watch a slow-motion movie of the operation. It sounded smooth, at least until the cutter became damaged.

Mark
 
Did you have any trouble sawing it?

It sawed easily. I used a HF bandsaw for most of the precut, and then finished with a hacksaw to cut what the bandsaw couldn't reach. The burrs filed easily, and rounding the corners was easy. Also, smoothing those edges with the file was routine.

This is really puzzling. I'm really not this bad. Usually.

Mark
 
Couple of questions. Is it possible that your stock is stainless steel? That would work harden more with each pass.

With 20 ga sheet, why not cut it in one pass? Less strain on the corners of the end mill. Start a bit out from the line and plan on a finishing pass (some would suggest climb cutting for the finish). And, as DMS mentioned, thin stock will pull up with the flutes, so a piece of something to spread out the clamping force is almost mandatory.

It's been mentioned that feeding too slowly can cause the cutter to overheat, since the chips aren't carrying any heat away with them. Some also use an air nozzle to help clear the chips out of the cut. Use a pressure regulator to slow the air down to a safe level.
 
Is it possible that your stock is stainless steel?

I'm sure that it is 1008 sheet. I ordered it last week, and its finish sure doesn't look like SS. Just to be sure I gave you the right answer, I checked the sheet with a magnet. It sticks.

With 20 ga sheet, why not cut it in one pass? ... a piece of something to spread out the clamping force is almost mandatory.

That's what the other guys are saying. I'm going to give that a try tonight or tomorrow. Chips were collecting in the flutes. Sometimes thay were tightly packed.

Thanks for your reply. We're going to lick this thing.

Mark
 
Your .54" per second figures to 32.4 inch per minute. Calculated at .002" chip load you should have had a feed rate of about 10"-10.5" per minute which means you were feeding it around 3X to fast. That is based on 85fpm endmill velocity. Little machine shops 1008 steel ranges from 65-110 fpm, I chose 85fpm (roughly the middle), 1299rpm.
Sheet metal usually machines badly but with your feed rate you made it worse.
 
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