1979 Boyar-Schultz H618 Surface Grinder

The ladder bearings are a nice upgrade, but make sure that the ways they ride on are flat and parallel (edit: IF they ride on the ways, or check what they do ride on), and also make sure that the extra height of the rollers does not expose that area to grinding dust.
You are right on all accounts. Sad to say, due to circumstances, I have been unable to devote the time to refurb the Boyar Schultz H-618. It is still sitting in a corner of the shop waiting for me. Due to the wear on it, caused by use and the broken ladder bearings, I needed a host of other metrology tools to do a good job on the refurb. I have since purchased a 24x36 granite surface plate scraping tools and a bunch of precision gauges along with a 24" cast iron straight edge. After I check it for wear and decide my course of action, if the wear is too severe, I might just rebuild the x axis table using linear bearing rails. I could machine bearing slots on the bottom, replacing the original ways and provide better seals on the sides to keep out any grinding dust. I have already decided to add an automatic drive to the bed as I dislike cranking the big wheel back and forth. I also picked up some glass scales and a DRO to add to the Y & Z axis. I'll post some photos here when I start the project.
 
Thanks for the tip. I have a 30L ultrasonic cleaner that I use for cleaning parts and 30Ls is a lot of cleaning fluid. Also, it has a heater so you have to be careful what you put in it. I usually use a detergent like purple power or Zep but they are caustic on aluminum and leave a gray surface finish after cleaning. I once used gasoline (small amount ) but it made me too nervous as I had to watch it closely to prevent fire or explosion, although it did work great. Diesel fuel requires pressure as well as heat to combust so that would work great for degreasing machine parts. I recently bought a used Clausing 5914 lathe for $250 that needs a complete teardown and rebuild so I have more parts to clean, scrape, and paint, etc.
If only it did not stink so bad.
 
You are right on all accounts. Sad to say, due to circumstances, I have been unable to devote the time to refurb the Boyar Schultz H-618. It is still sitting in a corner of the shop waiting for me. Due to the wear on it, caused by use and the broken ladder bearings, I needed a host of other metrology tools to do a good job on the refurb. I have since purchased a 24x36 granite surface plate scraping tools and a bunch of precision gauges along with a 24" cast iron straight edge. After I check it for wear and decide my course of action, if the wear is too severe, I might just rebuild the x axis table using linear bearing rails. I could machine bearing slots on the bottom, replacing the original ways and provide better seals on the sides to keep out any grinding dust. I have already decided to add an automatic drive to the bed as I dislike cranking the big wheel back and forth. I also picked up some glass scales and a DRO to add to the Y & Z axis. I'll post some photos here when I start the project.
Nice machine
Maybe you could start a thread
 
I came across a wonderful find on CL.
a gently used 1979 Boyar-Schultz H618 surface grinder.
this unit was purchased new by the previous owner and saw a good life.
we pulled the table off and i inspected the ways, the ways are very nice indeed with only the very faintest signs of wear.
the oil flaking is impeccable, i'm just sorry i didn't snap a picture at that time.
the table was replaced and i was pleasantly surprised when he said there was some extras with the unit...

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i almost broke my thumb reaching into my pocket, to get the money before he changed his mind :grin big:
there were 52 grinding wheels of different flavors, including 2 diamond wheels(one old- one very new), wrenches, diamond truing nibs, and a couple arbors.


Here is Hortense, in all her glory!

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i look forward to getting to know her!


the machine specifications are going to be posted soon!
thanks for looking
You totally suck you dog.
Oops, I just saw this is a six year old thread.
Mike, you still suck though :)
 
Ok guys, hold onto your wallets and prepare to cry. I just bought the same Boyar-Schultz H-618 surface grinder, minus the electro chuck and box of grinding wheels, for $200. To make the score even better, the seller needed to get rid of a Prolec Presetter, a CNC tool for measuring and cataloging CNC tooling, which he threw in for an extra $50 (it was advertised separately for $200). Evidently, a used Prolec Presetter is worth somewhere in the neighborhood of $4,000 bucks, according to one of the guys from the CNC shop, where I got the stuff. They just upgraded to the newest model.

The B-S H618 seems to be in good shape and just needs a thorough cleaning. I just happen to have a 3 phase converter box leftover from my old furniture company days in the early 80s. Glad I never got rid of it during my many attempts to reduce the quantity of stuff in my shop. I don't plan on getting rid of the Prolec Presetter but instead scrapped it for parts for a CNC lathe project. It also yielded 2 Heidenhain glass scales that just happen to fit my 9x20 lathe. Everything was mounted on a 4" thick 18 x 36 granite surface plate on top of a really great/heavy 1/8" thick steel plate cabinet. Throw in some really nifty optics with a video camera, along with a precision tool holder that fits into a, like, 40 lb rotating precision bearing base and you have more fun than a barrel of grease monkeys. The moving z-x structure has ways made from 25mm rods held in cast-iron frames (nicely made in America). I don't know what this thing cost new but it's definitely well above my pay grade. There was no computer with it, as they moved that over to the new model they bought but they did throw in an HP laser printer that works great.

Back to the H-618. I didn't need the missing mag chuck because I just purchased one off of eBay with the idea of building a DIY surface grinder, using linear bearings and such, my timing couldn't have been better.. The surface grinder appears to be in serviceable shape although after removing the top deck I saw that the ways rested on a pair of roller bearings shaped like ladders. I looked up a manual on vintagemachinery.org and didn't see anything that resembled these bearings in the blueprints. After thrashing around on google, I found a reference to an aftermarket retrofit bearing kit from Dunbarrollers.com. Almost half of the rollers were missing from the flat set, although the 90 deg set (for the V way) was in good shape. I contacted Dunbar and they said they would sell me a complete new ladder for $200, a real deal considering a new kit was over $600. Since I got such a deal on the H-618, $200 would be a cheap investment but I think I will check out the original ways and see what condition they are in before plunking down the additional bucks. There is an electric auto-oiler on the grinder so maybe the ways are still in good shape.

Before I do anything else I need to clean everything thoroughly, down to the metal. Still has a good coat of grime and grit on everything and some of the oiler lines might be plugged up. The motor looks good and the spindle bearings feel smooth. There was one, well used, grinding wheel on it so I bought 2 extra wheels from Grizzly along with 2 more L.H. spindle collets, from eBay ($35 each). So now I'm ready to do some grinding, as soon as I finish the cleanup.

Does anyone have any good suggestions for a good, petroleum-based cleaning solution? I was going to use kerosene but at almost $10/gal, that was a bit much. When did that stuff get so expensive? I used to run it in my shop heater and it was like $2.50/gal. I guess I might use paint thinner, which isn't cheap but not $10/gal. To really clean the two beds up I need to soak the parts in some solution and I have a really big poly pan for mixing mortar that should do the trick. It will probably take at least 2-3 gallons to do a good job. I thought of painting it the original B-S turquoise blue but since I have 3 or 4 gallons of industrial gray machine enamel, I think I'll go ahead and change the color.

One last mod on my list is the possibility of changing the manual bed into a hydraulic one. I saw one like mine on youtube with hydraulics and fell in love. I don't have the original B-S parts for the conversion but I have a bunch of different hydraulic cylinders and at least 2 pump/reservoir systems. One system I picked up from a porch wheel chair lift after the owner moved. I plan on building a pipe/tube bender with the one I don't use. It shouldn't be that hard to design a hydraulic switching system to activate and reverse the cylinder and control the speed of travel. Has anyone heard of that being done as a retrofit?

Here are some pictures of my lucky find.
1. My new Boyar-Schultz H-618
2. The Dunbar roller bearings
3. Parlec Presetter
4. Arriving at their new home.
Very cool. I am currently working on a Harig 618. I also have a very old Boyar Schultz 618 challenger deluxe still sitting on my trailer along with a Medina end grinder. Gave $400 for the challenger and $600 for the medina
 
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