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Valenite inserts - what is the holder for these?

Discussion in 'GENERAL DISCUSSIONS' started by Alan H, Mar 17, 2017.

  1. Alan H

    Alan H United States H-M Supporter - Premium Content H-M Supporter-Premium

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    My son acquired a bunch of these Valenite inserts (VIPV). Looking for a holder, I called Valenite (Walter) and inquired. They say they haven't made them in a number of years and had no answers or advice for me. Meanwhile, we have boxes of them and they look really good. Reminds me of a Dorian parting tool I have.

    Any advice on how to identify and find a holder or two?

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  2. Alan H

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    Here are some more of the same family (VIPV) but 1/4" wide.
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    Sounds like Walter did not give you the answer you wanted to hear.

    That insert looks like it sets flat or parallel with the bottom of the blade. So with that in mind start scanning the internet/eBay for a blade that fits this description. And yes, it will be a hit and miss until you find one that will work. And you might get lucky and find some old Valenite blades out there, too.
     
  4. Alan H

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    Ken, I wanted Walter/Valenite help me ID a holder!

    Yeap, I have done a lot of searching on the net to ID and find a holder without success. I have not had any luck so I decided to inquire here.
     
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    I think I have a old Valenite catalog in my file cabinet. I'll see if there is anything listed that could help you out with tomorrow. Ken
     
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    I checked my 2007 Valenite Turning catalog & it does not list that style of insert for parting/grooving so it must be older.

    Searched online & came across Valenite VCut series holders that accept VIPV inserts. Seems like VIMC & VIMJ inserts are interchangeable so that may help with your search.

    Checked ebay & came across this LH holder as an example. Unfortunately I'm not familar with their holder designations though (what size holder for what size inserts).

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/331004852625?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT
     
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  7. Alan H

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    Thanks Ken and Will

    Will, that LH holder is a hoss! It is a 1" tool! That would take a little shaving to fit my little 5/8" BXA setup. Meanwhile did some searching with your tip on "Valenite VCut" and that may lead me to something. I found one that appears may fit the larger of the two sizes we have. I am going to dig deeper. It may be worth the 20 bucks to give it a try since we have a few boxes of these inserts.
     
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    Alan,

    I can't find this particular style in my books. And my book goes back to about 2003. I threw out all of my old stuff long ago, what a mistake that was.

    Along with the holder Will found above, I notice a couple others that poped up along with it.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/VH106-80R-4...ac6deb1&pid=100005&rk=1&rkt=4&sd=370255535686

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/VH101-32-6-...795adbe&pid=100005&rk=2&rkt=3&sd=401289195796

    Here's a boring bar that may handle one of the inserts.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Valentine-C...de2b1f7&pid=100009&rk=1&rkt=1&sd=370255535686

    Ken
     
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    I sent the owner a note and they replied that this one is 1.2025 inches wide. That of course is too big for a BXA holder. I am coming to the conclusion that these inserts (like many) weren't intended for a 1340 lathe.

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    That 1/4" insert is a hefty insert which is 6.3mm, you'll need a big lathe for using that for parting. You might get away with some light grooving.

    For a BXA size lathe a 2-3mm wide insert for grooving is ideal. My main grooving insert is 3/32" for my 1236 w/ BXA. 1/8" is my widest but I rarely use it.
     
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    Will, agreed - I was hoping to do some grooving with it. But I guess I will be abandoning the idea now and moving on to other studies!
     
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    Thanks EW for finding this for me.

    I went thru the catalog and found the Ingersoll holder spec. for the smaller of the two inserts.
    The larger insert requires a much larger holder and is out for the BXA size lathe.

    The Ingersoll holder for the smaller Valenite insert above and would fit a BXA system. It is Ingersoll no. THL201103 from their Taegu line. Now to find one!
     
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    That insert looks like one that I use at work occasionally... if it is the same size, Kennemetal still makes the inserts and the holders...

    If you can provide a few more dimensions, such as the height and width of the back end of the insert, I can check and see if it is similar to the Kennemetal inserts.

    If it is, I may be able to give you a part number for the holder.

    I won't be back at work until Saturday night, though...

    -Bear
     

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