old enco

[norm]

well I finaly broke my old lathe caled enco about some parts. they said its to old you need to update to a newer one. it is a 91 model 110-1340 and I was abusing it and broke the topslide on the compoundrest. so I asked if I had a newer lathe would they have the part for it ? turnedout no would be 6 to 8 weeks
from china. I looked at the parts list of the grizzly 4016 looked the same and the had a top slide in stock. ordered it done some drilling and tapping back to good as new. thanks to zigeuner post gave me a good place to start looking .

 

[Starlight Tools]

The big problem with import machines is that each tool is individually fitted, so depending on how high the worker was as to whether the holes were drilled up hill or down. As each was fitted, the dimensions could vary from machine to machine making interchangabilty almost impossible.

Also the factory will order a batch of an item and when it is used up, they order another batch, but no telling if it is from the same source or ?, it could be that company b undercut company a this time so they got the order and there are often changes to the machines from one serial number to the next. It is almost as bad as when the war effort was trying to crank out machine tools and using whatever they could to come up with something they could call a machine. The Frankenlathe was not uncommon, right out of the factory!

Also many of the older import machines came from Taiwan, but only the best companies survived the switch from Taiwan to China, so any machines that are from the older plants, well parts just ain't there no more, nor are often the specs and drawings.

Now we get to China, they were in such a hurry to crank out machines to sell, they did not care how good they were. It is often impossible for me to track down parts. I am dealing with a Chinese welder right now and the part does not show up on the parts list. And calls to the factory have so far been coming up empty handed. What is worse is that the client removed the part and it went missing, so all I have is a hole that a part fits to and no way to identify it.

When I was importing tools, the owner of the company would order our spare parts at the time we ordered the machines, hoping we got in enough to cover what was needed for the future and knowing full well that that may be the last time we would be able to get those parts. Also a few machines were set aside for "parts robbing"

Now Norm, I am glad you managed to find a part at Grizzly that fit. That is one company that seems to at least try to provide a level of customer service, and they have grown because of it.

Walter

 

[Zigeuner]

Enco has a warehouse in Atlanta, GA where they keep their parts so it's a matter of persevence on the telephone.

The present Enco 110-1352 is very similar to the earlier 110-1340 machines that Norm and I have. The Grizzly G4016 13-1/2 X 40 is also quite similar. Thus, many of the parts from either of those machines could probably be made to fit the earlier 110-1340.

I'm sure there would be minor variations even with the same part number since they are made at all different times. Things like gibs and T-slots for QCTP's would no doubt have to be fitted. The parts are out there, though.

I'm glad that Norm was able to get what he needed from Grizzly.

 

[joesmith]

I acquired an enco 110-1340 2 weeks ago. I bought it from a Craigs list add for $600. I used your posting on the internet re the Grizzly 4016 to obtain threading charts and other info. A previous owner had removed the plate on the QC and installed a dial indicator mounting bracket. Most of the plates are too faded to read. Do you know a source for an original manual? In a few days I will start a new topic with qics and more details. I think this old lathe is going to be a winner..

 

[Zigeuner]

I acquired an enco 110-1340 2 weeks ago. I bought it from a Craigs list add for $600. I used your posting on the internet re the Grizzly 4016 to obtain threading charts and other info. A previous owner had removed the plate on the QC and installed a dial indicator mounting bracket. Most of the plates are too faded to read. Do you know a source for an original manual? In a few days I will start a new topic with qics and more details. I think this old lathe is going to be a winner..

As I may have said, the 110-1340 is apparently identical to the Grizzly G4016. They call the G4016 a "13-1/2 X 40". It looks identical. I don't know where they got the other half inch. LOL.

Here are the links again from the G4016.

http://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/g4016_m.pdf

http://cdn0.grizzly.com/manuals/g4016_m.pdf

http://www.grizzly.com/products/g4016/parts

Also, here is another machine that is very similar to the 110-1340 - the 110-1351.
http://www.use-enco.com/Machinery/110-1351.pdf

The manual is on the Enco site. You can also call them to see if they can locate a manual for you.

Good luck with your machine.

 

[joesmith]

thanks I printed several pages of the 110-1351 manual and will check the change gear settings. I have printed most of the Grizzly 4016 manual and it has the info I really needed. I still have a lot of cleaning, painting and "turng" to do. tomorrow I will level again using my 15" Lufkin(early Starrett). Then I will try cutting a 1 1/2" bar for 4 Inches and mike the ends. I expect it to be within .00005" which is fine for the type work I usually do. I have a newer 13x40 I bought new that is dead on and a 10" hvy 10 SB that aslo cuts dead on for close jobs. I consider this oldEnco a fun project to get it back as close as I can. I seem to enjoy setting up these old machines.
Joe

 

[Zigeuner]

thanks I printed several pages of the 110-1351 manual and will check the change gear settings. I have printed most of the Grizzly 4016 manual and it has the info I really needed. I still have a lot of cleaning, painting and "turng" to do. tomorrow I will level again using my 15" Lufkin(early Starrett). Then I will try cutting a 1 1/2" bar for 4 Inches and mike the ends. I expect it to be within .00005" which is fine for the type work I usually do. I have a newer 13x40 I bought new that is dead on and a 10" hvy 10 SB that aslo cuts dead on for close jobs. I consider this oldEnco a fun project to get it back as close as I can. I seem to enjoy setting up these old machines.
Joe

Hi,
They are a good lathe, but you may be optimistic regarding that number.......00005. Are you sure that you didn't add an extra zero by mistake? Somewhere I have the original inspection sheet from my machine. It's in metric numbers but I don't believe any of the numbers were that for to the right of the decimal, inch or metric.

One of the few machines I heard of that can do that sort of work would be the Monarch 10EE. A neighbor of mine who is a professional machinist has one in his shop a mile from my house. That's a nice machine. It's the only other lathe I would really like to have. I saw one in the same warehouse the day that I bought my Webb Mill. It was in nice shape but the broker wanted $4K for it. A little too rich for me at the time. I was also lugging home the Webb which weights 3,500 #. I don't think I could have hauled another 4,000 pounds. LOL.

Did you get the steady and follow rests with it? Also, there should be 8 change gears that go with the machine. I've done a few metric threads on mine and I recall that I changed a couple of gears for a friend once so that we could chase a large metric thread on the end of a Japanese hydraulic ram.

Mine had a lantern toolpost on it when it came. I changed that for a Phase II QCTP and a set of BXA holders before I ever used the machine. I also added a keyless 1/8" to 5/8" chuck for the tailstock.

It has been an excellent machine, far better than I am. I'm a .001 sort of a guy. With me, if it looks good, it is good. 90% of what I do is for various motorcycles. .+/1 001 does it for me. LOL.

Let us know how it works out for you.

 

[Tony Wells]

You won't get a half tenth out of a lathe. There wouldn't be so many grinders out there if you could.

 

[joesmith]

sorry, I hit 1 too many zeros. I'll report back what I get. I'm talking about a single cut. No way this old lathe could match the precision of a good 10EE or many of the other high dollar lathes. But close to a.001 is better than I need for most of my jobs. I'm just an old hobbist. I got the 3 and 4 jaw chucks, a noname BX wedge toolpost and a good tailstock chuck--no steady, follower or faceplate.
It had all the extra gears per the Grizzly manual and 4 others I don't see where to use. They appeared to never have been unwrapped.

 

[joesmith]

I found 7 extra gears 30, 36, 42, 50, 51, 60, 66 I will recheck tomorrow to see which one I'm missing.