Oil for hydrodynamic damper

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TL;DR What oil should I use for this propeller type damper? Pictures below.

I recently purchased a Gaertner toolmaker's microscope. I paid about 500 and another 100 $ or so in shipping. This was the most disappointing thing I've ever purchased off eBay. I paid too much and when it arrived, it was in bad, dirty, stinky shape to begin with. During shipping, it rattled loose from the wood box and beat the hell out of itself. The design of the XY stage is micrometer driven one way and sprung the other, so without restraint during shipping, it sloshed back and forth. Sheet metal was bent and one of the ball bearings fell out. The microscope was in such bad shape that I'm not sure what other damage was done in shipping.

Anyway, I took it all apart and worked it over with a nylon brush and WD40. Had to order a set of Bristol drivers because this thing has weird 6-spline screw heads. I'd never seen it before but it appears to be common in certain industries. You can buy the tools from Chapman, Bristol Wrench, or even McMaster. But I don't know where you would source fasteners with this type of drive. Cleaned the objective and eyepiece with kimwipes. There's still dust in the optical path and the angular measurement in the eyepiece doesn't move but I haven't pursued that, yet.

The damper in question is for the X axis. There is a trough for using end standards for the highest precision measurements. I think the idea is that you don't want the stage crashing into the end standard as it returns under spring tension. Anyway, I need to re-fill the reservoir and I wondered if you might have a suggestion for the type of oil to use.

The damage:

damper_assmbly_damage.JPEGdamper_rack_damage.JPEGdamper_damage.JPEG

I didn't know how to disassemble this mechanism but I have watched a lot of wristwatch restoration videos so I assumed a light press fit on a rotating arbor. Although the gear did pull off easily, the arbor is fixed. The arbor was the most damaged part in this assembly. After a great deal of tapping and measurements with the cutest little square, I got bent it back to straight. After realizing that the arbor is fixed, it became apparent that it is a bearing surface that was very dirty.

I also put the compound gear on a bench center and checked it for axial runout. It is about +/- 0.007 in. I don't know how to fix it and the gear engagement is adequate even with this slight wobble. If there's a way to fix it, I'm all ears.

Note the 1-way mechanism. When the compound gear rotates CW, the damper disengages. When turning CCW, the damper is in effect. That 1-way effect is connected by a spring which is created with a slot cut into the arm. It's not in the photo but that arm drags on a boss on the underside the compound gear. Very clever.

Also note the fill hole and the tiny hole that serves as a plug.

damper_gear_removed.JPEGdamper_internals.JPEG

Everything is fairly clean now and it's time to reassemble. Any thoughts on the oil I should use?
 
I would try a light to medium weight mineral oil.
 
I feel your pain man.


I paid over $500 for a huge lot of NOS Homelite parts from a guy in Alabama who cleaned out an old saw shop. Everything from flywheels to individually packaged wax encased sets of big end rod bearings, literally thousands of tiny hard to find parts.
that were worth a small fortune.


So what did the seller do?

Piled everything loosely in one huge box and slapped a label on it.

When it arrived my wife called me at work and told me my package was here but to brace myself.

When I got home I was faced with a 3' long by 2' around sausage sitting in the driveway. Not a single part was still in the original box and the 2-3lbs flywheels and cylinder heads wreaked havoc on every single thing.
 
Nothing more heartbreaking than to get a great deal only to have it pulverized in shipping- biggest problem I've had with Ebay
 
Can’t help with your question but why not file a claim with eBay: sounds like not as described and definitely not packed properly.
 
Nothing more heartbreaking than to get a great deal only to have it pulverized in shipping- biggest problem I've had with Ebay
but in most cases, it's a shippers failure to properly package.
and from what I am reading here, multiple cases of that.

no doubt we can clearly see the carriers who hire gorillas to do the old samsonite commercial handling.
 
I would file a claim against the seller. When they ship, they are responsible to pack things securely. How hard is it to stuff newspapers, rags, or old towels in a shipping container to keep things in place? I would be asking for at least a $200 refund from the seller, if not more.

As for the oil, any light weight (10W, 20W) non detergent oil will work.
 
I would file a claim against the seller. When they ship, they are responsible to pack things securely. How hard is it to stuff newspapers, rags, or old towels in a shipping container to keep things in place? I would be asking for at least a $200 refund from the seller, if not more.

As for the oil, any light weight (10W, 20W) non detergent oil will work.
you would not be a good packer. newspapers on heavy items do not stop things from moving. lot's of old towels might if packed tightly.
each piece requires thought. A solid case, foam, the expensive foam that is not compressible. is best. A bag over the item and urethane great stuff is super rigid, but needs to be done so the part can be removed easily. A case with support rods to stop things from moving.

newspapers ... NO
 
Everything is fairly clean now and it's time to reassemble. Any thoughts on the oil I should use?

Both of the hydrodynamic dampers I have experience with used relatively heavy silicone oil as the damping fluid. One was a vinyl record player tone arm (commercial product, peg in open trough); the other was a towed wing for underwater sensors (university research, rotating cylindrical gap).
 
you would not be a good packer. newspapers on heavy items do not stop things from moving. lot's of old towels might if packed tightly.
each piece requires thought. A solid case, foam, the expensive foam that is not compressible. is best. A bag over the item and urethane great stuff is super rigid, but needs to be done so the part can be removed easily. A case with support rods to stop things from moving.

newspapers ... NO
Ive used newspapers often with good results.

The key is to pack the box tightly so things cant begin to move around.
 
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